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Postby Mr.Phreak » Thu Mar 03, 2011 2:47 pm

It shouldn't change the cost of a good install
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Postby Obsessive » Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:42 pm

siren676 wrote:If he's uncomfortable with the question he'll probably do the usual thing, either not reply or blacklist you.

The "where possible" may be about the fuel immobiliser not being able to be installed on mechanical fuel pumps like on k series motors.

I wouldn't have a clue as i don't know much about alarms.


Here's the response:

Hey, This alarm comes with three immobilisers, so the "where possible" could be referred to the likes of a diesel vehicle where they have no fuel pump so you wouldn't be able to make a cut there, or if that's not satisfying enough, some of the newer vehicles etc where the ignition sense wire "if cut for immobiliser" may turn the airbag light on permanently. And yes I can definitely do a quality install on a p11 Primera in approx 2.5 hours, I have been doing car alarms for the past 11 years!


Can't say I've ever caused an airbag light to turn on by immobilising an ignition wire. Conclusive proof that the NZSA installer tests need to be updated if ever there was one! :lol:

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Postby Obsessive » Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:46 pm

Mr.Phreak wrote:It shouldn't change the cost of a good install


Agreed, it's simply about stopping some of the cowboys.
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Postby siren676 » Thu Mar 03, 2011 10:51 pm

:lol: More like

And yes I can definitely do a alarm removal on a p11 Primera in approx 2.5 hours, I have been disabling car alarms for the past 11 years!
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Postby Obsessive » Thu Mar 03, 2011 11:02 pm

siren676 wrote::lol: More like

And yes I can definitely do a alarm removal on a p11 Primera in approx 2.5 hours, I have been disabling car alarms for the past 11 years!


Haha, I always chuckle when people quote how many years they have spent in a trade as if it's a reflection of how good they are!
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Postby siren676 » Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:01 am

I took english for the last 13 years does that mean im any good at it?
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Postby Bling » Fri Mar 04, 2011 12:05 am

So do you guys know that trademe guy is a bad installer?

What if hes got 2 guys working on a car, surely 2.5 hours would be doable if you've done the car 50 times :lol: I'm all for weeding out the cowboys, but some of you seem to be shooting this guy without a fair trial?

Also siren676, you can't be that good if you missed one of these ' out of your question :lol:
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Postby Obsessive » Fri Mar 04, 2011 5:32 pm

BZG|Bling wrote:So do you guys know that trademe guy is a bad installer?

What if hes got 2 guys working on a car, surely 2.5 hours would be doable if you've done the car 50 times :lol: I'm all for weeding out the cowboys, but some of you seem to be shooting this guy without a fair trial?

Also siren676, you can't be that good if you missed one of these ' out of your question :lol:


It was the comment about the ignition immobiliser cut causing an airbag warning light that said "clown" to me.

To be fair he is installing an AVS he won't be spending any time trying to hide the siren as it needs to be accessible for the over-ride key. This makes the whole battery back-up feature pointless as the siren can be ripped out of the engine bay in seconds. Given this maybe the 2.5 hour thing is fair!

My point is that any clued up installer will know this is a weakness so why offer a compromised system?

In my book being a good installer is also about making a good product recommendation that will offer effective security!
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Postby Simon K » Fri Mar 04, 2011 7:13 pm

Must admit, the last alarm I bought has been faultless for the past two years...Considering it's thrashed 40-50 times a day, it's been sweet.

Installed(by the OP here) on the car yard when I bought it(left his card). 8)

Will buy again when the new car is ordered
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Postby jaypines » Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:27 pm

slightly off-topic but by how much can you save on insurance when you install 4 or 5 star alarms installed by NZSA members? :?:
my mates car (primera) almost got broken into every week... no budget for a star rated alarm so just installed a blinking LED on the dash as a theft deterrent. no more breakin since... guesss no need for expensive alarms, after all its just a crappy car. :wink:
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Postby Bling » Fri Mar 04, 2011 8:37 pm

Depends on the insurer, some ask if you have a professionally installed alarm, some don't even ask if you have one at all.
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Postby matt dunn » Fri Mar 04, 2011 9:22 pm

BZG|Bling wrote:Depends on the insurer, some ask if you have a professionally installed alarm, some don't even ask if you have one at all.


Tell them you have a subaru,
they will tell you no approved alarm = no insurance.

We normally only fit alarms becuse they have to have it to get insurance,
or because the customer wants the remote central locking.


And we also hate it when people bring in an alarm from repco or trademe,
and think that their $50 alarm will be $100 to fit it because that is how much the guy on trademe said it would cost.

Most of the time the price to fit an alarm supplied by the customer
is the same as it is to supply and fit an alarm from us.
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Postby Mr.Phreak » Fri Mar 11, 2011 8:12 pm

So did you ever get a response Julian??
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Postby MAGN1T » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:31 pm

If your alarm is any good and the installation is any good, then all you really need is 3rd party insurance at the most.....that's because it's thief proof.
As for installers, what do you have to do to get approved? Do a half hour course or something?
I did a half day course by uniden several years ago, does that count?

Then again I designed, built, installed my own alarm over 25 years ago, had 3 separate immobilisers in it, that was before you could buy proper ones, still got the car too. Never bothered with insurance either.
Full insurance is only for bad drivers with insecure cars.

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Postby Bling » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:34 pm

Nice troll there... do you ever question why you bother posting crap on here? I know a lot of people do... i'm now boarding the wagon.
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Postby MAGN1T » Fri Mar 11, 2011 9:36 pm

Some people just can't work out logic.
Insurance companies only exist to make a profit.
There's plenty of ways to immobilise a car without fitting an alarm.

So anyway, what does it take to become, ummmm, "qualified"?

Was talking to an alarm installer some time back, insisted that when you change a cars polarity from positive earth to negative earth you have to reverse the coil connections.
Obviously he got whatever qualifications he's got from a wheetbix box.

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Postby wde_bdy » Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:01 pm

Yeah, I'm sure 3rd party would have been great for when someone caused $3k of damage to my parked car and proceeded to drive off. :roll:
Insurance is to protect yourself against risks you are unwilling or unable to fund yourself, bad driving by other people is one of those risks.

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Postby matt dunn » Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:15 pm

MAGN1T wrote:Was talking to an alarm installer some time back, insisted that when you change a cars polarity from positive earth to negative earth you have to reverse the coil connections.
Obviously he got whatever qualifications he's got from a wheetbix box.

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Why, when that statement is true,
you do have too change the coil connections over when you change polarity on a car.
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