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Postby fx gt » Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:05 am

is it possible to get my flywheel lightended with out having ajustibe cams etc etc?

or will it screw my 4age:?
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Postby ChaosAD » Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:12 am

You might be thinking of skimming a cylinder head, adjustable cam gears are a good idea when doing that. But for a lightened flywheel they arent needed.
Lightening flywheels is a bad idea anyway as they are known to explode (even when lightened by well regarded workshops). And for the price of it ($80 plus balancing plus freight) youd be much better off spending $150 on a 5.9kg blacktop flywheel from Mr Revhead.
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Postby fx gt » Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:18 am

And for the price of it ($80 plus balancing plus freight) youd be much better off spending $150 on a 5.9kg blacktop flywheel from Mr Revhead.
http://forums.toyspeed.org.nz/viewtopic.php?t=33157[/quote]

a dude on trademe is selling lightended ones,bring you own in and get it lightended for 50 bucks :)
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Postby RedMist » Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:23 am

The blacktop ones arent lightened. They are factory that weight. Read the post supplied by Chaos. If your willing to risk your legs / testies / life and car for $100 then I say pay for lightening.
Another thing you may consider. Is do you actually know what your going to get with a lightened flywheel?
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Postby fx gt » Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:32 am

RedMist wrote:The blacktop ones arent lightened. They are factory that weight. Read the post supplied by Chaos. If your willing to risk your legs / testies / life and car for $100 then I say pay for lightening.
Another thing you may consider. Is do you actually know what your going to get with a lightened flywheel?


engine revs quicker
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Postby ChaosAD » Sun Jun 26, 2005 11:54 am

:? Do a search on lightened flywheels and you'll understand why we're tying to steer you away from the idea of lightening a factory flywheel.

Its in the same category as chopping springs.
You may find you have absolutely no problems with it, or, you may find that dumping the clutch at 6,000rpm to show your mates how your fx can do 'the meanest skids', will be all it takes to cause the cracks that have accumulated in it since it was manufactured 20 years ago, to crack further cause it to explode and tear apart anything in its way (bell housing, firewall, legs, nuggets)

Can you really put a price on that
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Postby Lloyd » Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:39 pm

Why does everyone assume people with FWDs drive with their legs on the passengers side of the car?

If its gonna blow to pieces in a FWD car and take your legs out then its probably going to take a fair bit more off you than just that.
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Postby ChaosAD » Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:48 pm

Your right, it can injure the passenger. Which would be even worse
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Postby Bling » Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:19 pm

So in conclusion.... buy a blacktop flywheel off revhead :lol:
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Postby Bazda » Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:46 pm

You can only take so much out of a 4age fly wheel.
Precision engineering take it off around all the bolts holes where the pressure plate bolts up.
Mine got done had no probs with it, he also has done many 4ages that race out at pukekohe, taupo and manfield, this guy has also experienced ones that fly apart and has found the correct way of lightening it.
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Postby AceSniper » Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:39 pm

Bazda wrote:Precision engineering take it off around all the bolts holes where the pressure plate bolts up.
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thats where the beef has been removed from factory on blacktop ones
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Postby Adamal » Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:49 pm

fx gt wrote:
RedMist wrote:The blacktop ones arent lightened. They are factory that weight. Read the post supplied by Chaos. If your willing to risk your legs / testies / life and car for $100 then I say pay for lightening.
Another thing you may consider. Is do you actually know what your going to get with a lightened flywheel?


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Whenever you think of doing something to your car, there is always a trade off. You can't gain something for nothing.

A lighter flywheel will mean you won't have as much street drivability. A lot of clutch slipping will be required in traffic as there will be less sustained rotational momentum stored within the flywheel. IE, its easier for the body weight to pull the revs of the car down closer to stalling point.
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Postby AE101Z » Wed Jul 06, 2005 2:19 am

what about i get a toms or toda flywheel? do they help?
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Postby TRD Man » Wed Jul 06, 2005 10:56 am

The theory Adamal quotes is correct in certain circumstances but not all.

For example we wouldn't advise the use of a light flywheel in a gravel rally car where the 'rotational momentum' Adamal refers to is quite critical.

In a road car I don't believe it's that cut & dry.

Our information shows a STD silvertop flywheel to be 6.7kg.
A TRD flywheel is 4.3kg and a TOM'S flywheel is the lightest of the lot at 3.2kg (less than half the weight of the STD item).
We've sold dozens of TOM'S flywheels for 20v and have only had good feedback with absolutely no reports of loss of driveability at all.

In fact in the case of the new 2ZZGE 6 speed Corolla GT the fitting of a TOM'S flywheel has supposedly cured a number of driveability issues and it has become a recommended modification by the the Aussie Sportivo owners club.
Subsequently we've sold between 40 & 50 for this model alone and every report is positive.

The TOM'S flywheels are made from chrome moly. They're a such an attractive piece of machining it's actually a shame to hide them away.
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Postby AE101Z » Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:23 am

to trdman

how much is the toms flywheel for ae101 4agze???
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Postby TRD Man » Wed Jul 06, 2005 11:33 am

I have sent you a pm.

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Postby Drifter4ag » Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:05 pm

and price for a aw11 4agze flywheel ?
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Postby TRD Man » Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:20 pm

Neither TOM'S nor TRD make a flywheel for 4AGZE.

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Postby CozmoNz » Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:36 pm

Club4ag wrote:HKS makes, what I feel is best Street use flywheel. You can use the AE111 flywheel for the AE86 as well provided you use the clutch and plate from AE111 as well. HKS flywheels are great balance between response and in-town torque. It's about 6kg.

I currently use Project Mu, flywheel, plate and cover combo. Its a bit noisy due to the multi-piece pressure plate design and holds much like a twin plate. Its a bit too light for street use and I occasionally stall the engine in traffic (^^;), but gives a crackling light response from its 3.9kg weight.

Toda also makes really nice flywheels for race fields...

In any case, as long as its reputable manufacturer and the weight is to your necessity, its fine to use just about any flywheel you feel is good. Just make sure not to get crappy ones as you can lose your tranny, your money and sometimes your feet as it can become a grenade inside your bell housing at high rpm.

I'd say about 5-7 kg is good for race/street car with crispy NA motor of 16V or 20V. Its also a fine choice for autocrosser and racers who need middle range torque to be stable.

6-9kg for a 4A-GZE equipped car to stabilize idle and to help the supercharger from stalling the engine torque. Also for front drive Corollas and MR2 where traction/torque can greatly affect handling...

3-5 kg for those who basically don't drive on the street and wind the engine at top rpm at track events, and for 4A-GE use on formula cars and other light weight contraptions.


6-9kgs eh.....

id use a blacktop one :).
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Postby fatgtr » Wed Jul 06, 2005 6:49 pm

lightened flywheels arent that great. you end up with a "lumpy" sounding idle, you could lose various limbs.

but, easier to start your car, and better engine revving.

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