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Postby TRD Man » Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:41 am

vvega wrote:lol youve never been to a golf club have you :D
you also made the asumption the club would have no insurance and that he has to be a member to be covered by it .....

maybe instead of acusing people of giving misleading infomation you should perhaps ask for claraforcation on the asumtions you have also made :D



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Actually, I've been a member for nearly 30 years. For a similar amount of time I've owned businesses and presided over sporting clubs where I've had to deal with insurance and liability issues frequently.

Sometimes vvega, even you have to accept that others points of view may be more valid that your own.

I didn't assume anything. I stated the fact that regardless of any insurance claim likelihood the one certainty is that the golfer is liable.
You cannot contract out of personal responsibility.
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Postby vvega » Sun Nov 06, 2005 9:52 am

hes asked a simple question and got a pile of bulshit..
fact is a golf club is required to have public liability...
public liabilty covers anyone on the course member or just walking though

i gave a clear simple answer right at the start as did a couple of others
unfortunatly people have twisted and contorted the issue like you did in your prevous post to make a personal point
and no amount of triing to twist the topic to justafie your spam will save the fact your been hypocrical in the sence you are confusing the answer with irelevant info
like who is attually liable in a fault sence rather than a montry sence

i made no asumtions im positive with my resolve

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Postby TRD Man » Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:05 am

vvega wrote:fact is a golf club is required to have public liability...

Are you absolutely certain of that? It might be sound & common practice but is it compulsary? By who's authority?
I've been associated with a number of sporting clubs in NZ which don't carry public liability insurance and, I suspect there's many more, including golf clubs.
If you're absolutely certain I'll bow to your greater knowledge.
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Postby vvega » Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:20 am

it is mu understanding that any busnession or organisation that can indrectly harm the pulic at large is required in there premese licence(local councel) to produce documentation of public liability insurance before the licence is issued
its now to the point where farmers are required to have it to protect the public while poaching on there property and for the aspect of livestock on the road from there padocks

for example back when i was doing fireworks because we housed exposives on site we were required to have it it for the protection of those driving past or anyone that broke in and atempted to steal

Then when were were out on a event we had to have another forum of public liabilty to ptrotect the public at large from falling debre from the exploding starshells and faulty pyro


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Business Liability Insurance
With The changes to the RDC Bylaws review which will be approved by the end of this year.

It’s very important that all businesses have business liability insurance and/or review their liability insurance to ensure that it extends to the public areas outside their shops/businesses. Particularly if you have clothing racks, display goods, sign boards, tables & chairs, pot plants and doormats.

Even if your business is located on privately owned land which has public access - you are not exempt. You will still be subject to third party claims, check your insurance policy. RDC is effectively placing all liability for public areas onto businesses.

This will also means charity/sports groups must hold a current liability cover when fundraising eg sausage sizzle, cake stalls etc. especially when they operate outside businesses on private land. Those businesses offering this service must insure that they get charity groups to complete the appropriate liability disclaimer forms and provide a copy of their charity organisations annual liability insurance policy. In most cases your business liability cover will not include not for profit groups, should a claim be made by a third parly
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Postby vvega » Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:30 am

perhaps its not law till the end of the year.....

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Postby TRD Man » Sun Nov 06, 2005 10:34 am

It's never been a requirement for any of my businesses which involve motor vehicle sales, motor vehicle repair, and property development, all of which have a reasonable public risk associated with them.
We've always just asked our insurer to attach it.

Anyway, without dragging this out longer, I think we can agree that the responsibility lies with the golfer but in all likelihood he will be covered by the club's insurance - which they will almost certainly have.
The correct thing for him to have done would have been to report the incident to the club's secretary - who would likely take it from there.
Would you agree?


PS. I've just seen your quotation attachment. It refers to an RDC ByLaw.
So it's a localised thing.
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Postby vvega » Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:14 am

yeap and agreed
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Postby pervert » Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:22 am

deaf_rattle wrote:stop being a munter wayne.
arguing doesnt change the fact that nice people would take responsibility for their actions


My god, if YOU were anymore of a munter, I'm sure the universe would implode... :lol:

Wake up call, the worlds not full of nice people, it never was, and I'd be real interested to see you 'force' the person to pay for your window... :lol:
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Postby Gadget » Sun Nov 06, 2005 11:40 am

Alrighty guys, there's been plenty of discussion and namecalling go on here, I think the question's been answered plenty of times!

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