Van registered as "light goods"

[cat007]

Here's one example of our great roads:



At any stage of the year I can go for a walk and within 1 minute find a road, without actually trying, that is in as poor state as this....

[Mr Revhead]

so theres a small country road thats obviosuly had a slip go over it
hardly typical of the average nz road

[cat007]

so theres a small country road thats obviosuly had a slip go over it
hardly typical of the average nz road

you don't drive around much do you? Or if you do, don't pay attention to what you're driving on....

Tell you what - tomorrow night - I'll take pictures of the roads that I drive down EVERY day - from center of auckland's CBD down the northern motorway and out to wainui

In all situations - you'll see how back the roads here really are....

[Mr Revhead]

actually i cover in the region of 10-15000k's a year in all sorts of place's.


maybe the problem is where you live, im guessing some out of the way place?

now, fess up... the road above. tell us more about it, where is it? how bust is it? where does it go? whats the signage? and whats wrong with it?

[cat007]

actually i cover in the region of 10-15000k's a year in all sorts of place's.


maybe the problem is where you live, im guessing some out of the way place?

now, fess up... the road above. tell us more about it, where is it? how bust is it? where does it go? whats the signage? and whats wrong with it?

well maybe you just don't realize the quality, or lack there-of of the roads you're driving on then.

That road was out in the middle of no-where - but it's the only one I have a photo of. But as I said, I could go for a walk right now and find roads with just as many potholes in - in fact I'll go do just that

And in that picture - other than the slip, (which you may say has nothing to do with the road - yet it does - no point putting a road next to somewhere than has slips and could damage it - why not put some sort of barrier up to stop slips? You know, preventative maintainence...) there's 6 pot holes in that picture that have been re-sealed over and to compensate for their poor workmanship knowing that it'll sink, they've raised the patch above the actual road surface - creating a bumpy shity road.....

It's all about NZ road workers (not directly the workers, because they're only as good as the training they're given, so maybe their managers etc) cutting corners.

[Mr Revhead]

wtf

where do you suggest they put roads then?
and where would all the money come from to do that? i think you are being seriously unrealistic.

the roads i drive on are fine, yeah sometimes you find a pot hole, or a damaged section. but so what? as i said before, not once has a road tried to kill me.

sounds to me like you want billard table smooth wide roads over 100% of the country.

my suggestion to you, if you don't like where you are, move.

[sergei]

I do 20-30k in year, and not in auckland traffic (I live 7kms from work). Every weekend I tend to go some place in NZ be that karapira or Mangawhai heads.
I have seen a few slips, pot holes and other dangerous bits, I will tell you one thing, they were all properly marked with appropriate temporary speed limit signs. Notice the red mesh on your picture? I would say that spot would be dangerous if it wasn't mark.

In fact many people say I complain a lot, one thing you guys are too spoiled to realise that the roads in NZ are pretty good, even if there is problem there will be someone fixing the issue in pretty fast time frame.

Stop wining and crying about state of NZ roads and harden up.

You know the majority type of crashes in Russia? Head on collisions due to lack of road marking. What would you do guys if there was no road marking, no recommended speed signs (the yellow ones) no little white poles marking the edge of the road? When I left to NZ cat eyes were non existent in motherland, road marking was just on major roads, the only roads that did not had potholes, where unsurfaced reinforced concrete roads that were designed to carry tanks with unpadded tracks, most of the open manholes and washed out holes where not marked by anything.
Repair work took years to complete.
Then there are places like Taiga, where was my father serving and building roads, which consisted of tank going through forest and whatever tracks were left behind that tank were considered a usable road.
I remember coming for a visit in a 6x6 Truck as that the only thing that would go through that "road".
Back to the issue.
Do you know the cost of the paved road? You think that government should spend billions dollars paving your (what I would consider) driveways?
Do you know how expensive are those signs that advertise recommended speed of oncoming curve?

I say be happy with state of the roads right now, and be grateful that government is spending as much on it as it does now.

[cat007]

wtf

where do you suggest they put roads then?
and where would all the money come from to do that? i think you are being seriously unrealistic.

the roads i drive on are fine, yeah sometimes you find a pot hole, or a damaged section. but so what? as i said before, not once has a road tried to kill me.

sounds to me like you want billard table smooth wide roads over 100% of the country.

my suggestion to you, if you don't like where you are, move.

you numpty - how about instead of putting roads next to loose sand like hillsides and thinking 'it'll be fine' and then spending $lots fixing up the road that was damaged by the slip which could've been prevented.

I'm not being unrealistic. What's unrealistic is spending mega $$$ on a 2 lane bus system for bugger all busses to go down and expect that to solve auckland motorways traffic problem

I don't expect a billard table for a road

[sergei]

you numpty - how about instead of putting roads next to loose sand like hillsides and thinking 'it'll be fine' and then spending $lots fixing up the road that was damaged by the slip which could've been prevented.


I don't expect a billard table for a road

Are you road surveyor/engineer? How do you know it was not the best place available? NZ is not a flat country, I love driving in NZ because of that. I hated Australia because of flat and boring roads. The down side of hilly country is that there could be slips and washouts anywhere.

[postfach]

The down side of hilly country is that there could be slips and washouts anywhere.

Down side? That's what makes driving country roads fun

[cat007]

Are you road surveyor/engineer? How do you know it was not the best place available? NZ is not a flat country, I love driving in NZ because of that. I hated Australia because of flat and boring roads. The down side of hilly country is that there could be slips and washouts anywhere.

No but I'm saying it wouldn't be that hard to prevent slips or have some sort of solution in place if one does occur at least

[sergei]

Are you road surveyor/engineer? How do you know it was not the best place available? NZ is not a flat country, I love driving in NZ because of that. I hated Australia because of flat and boring roads. The down side of hilly country is that there could be slips and washouts anywhere.

No but I'm saying it wouldn't be that hard to prevent slips or have some sort of solution in place if one does occur at least

That red fence is the solution, isn't it?

Or do you want to spend 10mil on some back road to be stabilised?

[cat007]

Are you road surveyor/engineer? How do you know it was not the best place available? NZ is not a flat country, I love driving in NZ because of that. I hated Australia because of flat and boring roads. The down side of hilly country is that there could be slips and washouts anywhere.

No but I'm saying it wouldn't be that hard to prevent slips or have some sort of solution in place if one does occur at least

That red fence is the solution, isn't it?

no - the red fence is the solution after a slip has already taken out half the road

the solution would be better supports and/or bracing to prevent such slips

[Mr Revhead]

yeah... i think you fail to realise the cost of what you are talking about
im sticking to my unrealistic call

[no_8wire]

lol...I dont think most people appreicate how much cost goes into a road.
As it is most road pavements are only designed for 20 year design life before repairs are needed to the pavement structure. In that time alot can happen to the ground conditions that may not have been evident at the time of construction. ie a fault in the rock bed that causes a slip (sinced most boreholes will stop at rock/refusal on local roads) ground water conditions can change etc.

And retaining/ piling along side roads on a slope is not the idel solution to every circumstance! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Willdat?]

We also live in one of the most unstable earthquake prone countries in the world, there are always going to be problems that need fixing.

I've driven all of the state highways in the South Island, and as Mr Revhead and Sergei have pointed out, it' nt driving to the conditions that causes the problems.


Spending big $ on a two lane bus system seems like a good idea...because they are planning for future growth. Putting 4 lane motorways everywhere in the country would be horrendously expensive, unesscessary and boring!

I used to drive from Nelson to Queenstown every second weekend for about a year and the twisty, narrow hilly roads for 850 km were what kept me awake and interested after work on a Friday, and back again on a Sunday!