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molex wrote:Does anybody know if there's any Auckland based suppliers for Alcotane? I personally would probably be keen on some.
Alcotane wrote:
matt dunn has basically covered all the basic information with astounding accuracy.
jakesae101 wrote:whats the cost of buying it directly from you guys?
Lith wrote:We then drained the remaining 98 and pulled out the containers of Ethanol and petrol we just happened to have and mixed up a new E33 (it was easier to do accurately with the containers we had) blend to throw in the tank and proceeded to tune.
molex wrote:Approximate cost for 20L to a residential Auckland central address? Discount for volume? I'm sure there's a few people up here in Auckland who would be keen, splitting shipping cost could be a goer.
Dunny wrote:Alcotane - do you have any info or has anyone done R&D running E85 on old pushrod carb'd engines, might save me some trial and error testing?
Alcotane wrote:I will attempt to locate some reliable information and post it up for you to have a look through.
Earlier boost pressure. However the down side of this is that it aggravates any boost creep problems. Also for the same boost control settings there was an increase in boost (so the settings had to be decreased to achieve the same boost level)
Lower engine temperatures. On track testing showed the engine temps were brought right down to the thermostats temp and was almost operating too cold. We would look at either changing the low temp competition thermostat to a standard higher temp item or look at blocking of some of the air to the radiator if we were to continue with E85.
Build up of fuel in the sump and accumulation of fuel in the oil breather catch tank with E85.
E85 is less volatile than petrol meaning that it takes a higher temperature to make it evaporate. More fuel enters the sump with blow-by gases due to the fact that more is used and also under cold start and while the engine is warming up. The engine and engine oil needs to be above 78C to get the E85 to boil of and leave the sump at a reasonable rate (this is compounded by the fact that the fuel makes the engine run cooler). Also once it does leave the sump it condenses in the cooler catch can and builds up in the can.
Alcotane wrote:Alcotane fuels are blended with the highest quality raw materials, the ethanol that we use is the highest purity available in bulk quantities and definitely not the cheapest. We use 99.8% pure ethanol despite the fact that the minimum purity of ethanol for blending with fuel under NZ Legislation is 95.6%.
Ethanol forms an azeotropic bond with water, this bond can not be broken by distillation as the boiling point of ethanol and the ethanol azeotrope are to close together. This means that you must employ special and costly procedures is you want ethanol purity above approximately 96%.
Principal ethanol suppliers in NZ provide a 96% purity option which is much cheaper to produce and to purchase as it doesn’t have to go through chemical drying processes or molecular sieves.
The water content affects the engine output and octane rating, if you think about it a 200L drum of 96% ethanol has 8 liters of water in it. I cant speak for everyone but there is no way I would throw 8 liters of water in my tank even if it meant that the fuel was cheaper.
As for the additive it is very expensive, and costs about as much to get it here from Germany as it does to buy. Having said that I believe it to be worth every cent, it almost completely removes any of the problems associated with ethanol.
Alcotane Fuels are made with quality in mind more so than price. I can assure you that the price will copme down a bit over the next few months as our volume is bringing us closer top a lower price bracket with our suppliers. Dont get to excited though, we are only talking 7-10c a litre.
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