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Postby DeeCee » Sat Dec 03, 2011 12:34 pm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/6 ... ules-fails

Uh.. so now that basically wipes out any decent sports car from the 90's and early 2000's. Thoughts?

A last-ditch bid to delay new rules which will restrict used-car imports has failed, prompting further warnings of an increase in prices for consumers.

The Imported Motor Vehicle Industry Association, which represents used-car importers, went to the High Court at Wellington this week in an attempt to force a judicial review of new emission standards rules due to come into force on January 1.

An affidavit from IMVIA chief executive David Vinsen claimed he was promised a review of a previous round of rule changes, so the new rules should be delayed until this had taken place.

However, Justice Forrie Miller dismissed the application, finding that it was unlikely such a clear promise was ever made, and that in any case, Transport Minister Steven Joyce had given the matter sufficient consideration following extensive lobbying.

The ruling means that from January 1, virtually all Japanese cars manufactured before 2005 will not be able to imported.

Vinsen said that the rule change was likely to cause a significant increase in the prices paid by consumers for certain models of popular cars.

However, the industry had been preparing on the basis that the rules would come into force, so it was now "business as usual" with work already under way to prepare for the changes.

"There's considerable time and effort and money going into identifying alternative sources," Vinsen said.

The alternative sources referred to dealers setting up new supply chains to import secondhand cars from Britain.

Dog and Lemon guide editor Clive Matthew-Wilson has warned that the rules will be counter-productive, because motorists will keep older cars on the road longer, lowering air quality.

However, the Automobile Association has said the newer imports often provide better value for motorists and the rules will help upgrade the fleet.
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Postby Grrrrrrr! » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:05 pm

Old news, it was announced months back, car dealers have been building inventory for a while (if they can afford it).

Thoughts... it situation normal, a good way to stop old shit from being imported and to increase the quality of cars on NZ roads. They did it back in 2002, effectively limiting it to cars made after '96 using frontal impact rules. This time is emissions standards. And in another 10 years they'll do it again.

The scaremongering of the importers... call a goodamdn wambulance, you'll just have to stop selling shitty cars to poor people with crap credit ratings. And maybe a few of them will start catching the buses and train so we can stop subsidising the crap out of buses and trains to roll around empty.
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Postby snwtoy » Sat Dec 03, 2011 2:32 pm

I just had a check on TM, and if you're a Toyota fan you're SOL as the sportiest toyota coming into the country post 2005 seems to be a GT4 Caldina :lol:
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Postby cogent » Sat Dec 03, 2011 3:04 pm

snwtoy wrote:I just had a check on TM, and if you're a Toyota fan you're SOL as the sportiest toyota coming into the country post 2005 seems to be a GT4 Caldina :lol:


sounds like ur forgetting about toyota hachi-roku (that is kawaii for '86') savior mobile??
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Postby Al » Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:57 pm

Can still import with SIVs and older than 20 years.
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Postby dnalunchie » Sat Dec 03, 2011 6:24 pm

can still get v9 sti, they were made 2005
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Postby Leon » Sat Dec 03, 2011 10:37 pm

Do not assume X year = good, Y year = bad. It isn't that simple.

Also, this rule change has been scheduled since 2008 ...
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Postby Emperor » Sun Dec 04, 2011 12:56 am

Grrrrrrr! wrote:Old news, it was announced months back, car dealers have been building inventory for a while (if they can afford it).

Thoughts... it situation normal, a good way to stop old shit from being imported and to increase the quality of cars on NZ roads. They did it back in 2002, effectively limiting it to cars made after '96 using frontal impact rules. This time is emissions standards. And in another 10 years they'll do it again.

The scaremongering of the importers... call a goodamdn wambulance, you'll just have to stop selling shitty cars to poor people with crap credit ratings. And maybe a few of them will start catching the buses and train so we can stop subsidising the crap out of buses and trains to roll around empty.


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

"Good way to stop old shit" What do you call old shit? My definition of old shit would be around 90 and older... So whats wrong with 2000-2005?
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Postby Grrrrrrr! » Sun Dec 04, 2011 1:59 am

Average age of vehicles in NZ = 13 years
Average age of vehicles in the EU and USA = 7 & 9 years.

2000 is effectively 12 years old.. so we'd still be introducing cars to our fleet that are so old most other 1st world economies are are scrapping them.
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Postby Emperor » Sun Dec 04, 2011 2:14 am

So? Doesn't mean they're crap. My R34 had only done 60,000KM and it was 1998... I'd say it was a mint, low km, modern car that'd be fine for any purpose. But I guess because europe doesn't drive them we shouldn't either....

If you were offered a 2003 Ferrari would you turn it down? Or in 10 years time when the R35 GTR is your definition of "old", should we just start scrapping them?

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Postby Grrrrrrr! » Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:26 am

Emperor wrote:So? Doesn't mean they're crap. My R34 had only done 60,000KM and it was 1998... I'd say it was a mint, low km, modern car that'd be fine for any purpose. But I guess because europe doesn't drive them we shouldn't either....


Should we keep on importing old shitty heaps like 1996 Corolla XEs & Estimas for the next ten years too? Perhaps we should go back to importing rusty AE82s from Japan too? Gotta draw the line somewhere, otherwise we end up with all the old shit that no other sane nation would accept.

Why do you have a problem with the govt saying you can't import cars that pollute beyond a reasonable level? What gives you the right to pump lots of shit into the atmosphere and $&#$% other peoples health?

If you were offered a 2003 Ferrari would you turn it down?


Give me a free car of any sort and i'll probably take it, its worth $300 as scrap at least..

If I was looking to buy one:
1) Already plenty in the country to choose from
2) Or if there weren't I could import it myself under SIV classification if I really wanted it that much.

Or in 10 years time when the R35 GTR is your definition of "old", should we just start scrapping them?

Big difference between scrapping them and no longer importing them, but I guess thats a bit too subtle for you. :roll:

In ten years time there will already be a f#ck-ton of R35s in NZ, no need to import more, especially if they are not capable or meeting decent emissions or safety standards.
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Postby rollaholic » Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:44 am

dnalunchie wrote:can still get v9 sti, they were made 2005


remember its not about year of manufacture but the standards that it has to meet (emissions and frontal impact)
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Postby jaypines » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:18 am

problem is many of the compliance guys dont even know how to decode an EC directive.
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Postby sergei » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:59 am

Actually what will happen is that this will open the flood gates for chinese shit.
Technically it marginally passes frontal impact laws, and passes emission but they are still hunk of junks that should not be on the road.

I would rather see 1996 Corolla XE than a GElee/GreatWallMotor junk.

Here is the thing, when the old emission laws were about to introduce, the place I used to work for took an 1994 Cresta with 1GFE and 250+k on the motor and put on the emission machine, and guess what? It passed the new standards.

The old cars are not dirtier. In fact new cars can be as bad as 300+k 1992 Corolla if they are not maintained.

The funny thing is, there are cars with identical ECU and engines, and one passes and another not, just because it does not have right letters/numbers in the VIN.

The whole system is stupid.

For people to use public transport make it so public transport is cheaper and more reliable than car. Unless you live in CBD this is not the case, and never will be as long as bus companies are private/for profit entries.

Seriously, it will bump up the prices on all cars.
Because of stupid govt now it is impossible to buy a WOF/Regod car under $1000. When I was going to uni, I had alternatives of walking 10km home in the evening, or buying a car, as there was no bus service when I was done with labs.

Regarding the comment that it will reduce amount of bad drivers:
The worst of the lot are middle aged women in the Cayennes ;).
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Postby blindnz » Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:18 am

The biggest things about this for me is much like Sergei said, its not based car by car.

A early 2000's corolla that puts out 168g/kg of co2 gets banned
while people can still import for example v8 landrovers putting out 328g/kg

There needs to be some basis for whats being banned.

Secondly 10% of lifetime greenhouse gas emissions come from making the car in the first place, so is this actually going to benefit or harm the environment?
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Postby rollaholic » Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:20 am

there is some basis, the corolla you mentioned was not manufactured to meet the applicable standards therefore its not able to be complied for use on NZ roads following this change.

the fact that it is less polluting than cars that DO meet the standards is irrelevant as far as the rules are concerned.

which makes about as much sense as charging motorbikes ACC levies based on arbitrary CC ratings, but there you go! thats bureaucracy for ya.
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Postby wde_bdy » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:27 am

They change rules every few years, the cut off date moves forward and you get a short term spike in prices which drops off in 6 months or so. At the end of the day, it simply isn't worth importing older cars anyway as the amount you spend to buy and ship them kills any margin at the other end. I'm sure in 3 years when the next change happens everyone will again whinge that the industry will die, people will be stuck driving old polluting death traps etc etc and life will just go on as normal.

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Postby TRD Man » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:38 am

sergei wrote:The whole system is stupid.
The system is not 'stupid' at all. It is a standards based system which is both the simplest to administer and the most appropriate and is, in fact, the way the rest of society runs.
Cars built to meet the standards comply, those which weren't do not comply.

Whether we like it or not we must accept some responsibility to comply with global environmental protocols but this regulation change will be as much about keeping the fleet modern and up to date as it is about emissions.
To that end they did this back in 2002 as has been mentioned, but also back in 1991 when they brought in the seatbelt regulations.

sergei wrote:Seriously, it will bump up the prices on all cars.
No it won't. Prices of cars are determined by supply & demand. In NZ for many years supply has exceeded demand and the price on the lot is generally set by the dealer who is most desperate.
sergei wrote:Because of stupid govt now it is impossible to buy a WOF/Regod car under $1000.
Drive down any suburban thoroughfare and you'll find cars for sale for less than, or little more than, 1K, some registered & warranted, others not. Regardless, I doubt that ought be a factor in any serious decision making.
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Postby BZG Wagon » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:40 am

Grrrrrrr! wrote:Average age of vehicles in NZ = 13 years
Average age of vehicles in the EU and USA = 7 & 9 years.

2000 is effectively 12 years old.. so we'd still be introducing cars to our fleet that are so old most other 1st world economies are are scrapping them.

The reason our cars are so old is because of these sorts of laws. It pushes prices up, so we end up holding onto our cars for a lot longer.

Replacing your 1996 car with a 2000 car would still drop the average closer to under 10 years.

Cars in NZ are a lot more expensive then overseas too. Case in point:
* New Corolla in USA: $20.5k (nzd)
* New Corolla in NZ : $34.5k (nzd)
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Postby TRD Man » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:54 am

BZG Wagon wrote:The reason our cars are so old is because of these sorts of laws. It pushes prices up, so we end up holding onto our cars for a lot longer.
I believe our fleet is actually younger than Australia's.
The reason our cars are of the age that they are is because we have an over abundance of beneficiaries and other low lifes who can't get off their arses and better themselves to the point where they can afford a decent car.
Some of you seem to forget that we had cars in this country before imports began in the late 80's. Everyone who needed a car was well able to afford one.
This regulation change only limits the range of foreign cast offs that can be imported, not what can be sold that is already within the NZ marketplace.


Cars in NZ are a lot more expensive then overseas too. Case in point:
* New Corolla in USA: $20.5k (nzd)
* New Corolla in NZ : $34.5k (nzd)
That's one case, not necessarily the norm.
And to put that in perspective I used to buy product through a large Californian Toyota dealership which sold 3000 cars per month. That's just one dealership so when you consider the economy of scale the example you quote is unsurprising.
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