3SGE faster than 3SGTE ? LOL lets discuss this ~~

[GT4 20]

and with far more torque

That's what it really comes down to isn't it - torque. You can have all the bhp you want, but if you don't have the torque to match it doesn't mean much in the real world. As they say "BHP sells cars - torque wins races"
Gary

[dougsop]

Not quite on topic here but I would like to point out that there's no such thing as a true 2.2litre SS2. It is in fact a Celica GT with a 5s-fe engine as the SS2 came with the 2litre 3s-ge engine. the 2.2 litre 5s-fe motor produces 135 horsepower at peak while the 2.0 litre 3s-ge produces 180 Bhp at peak.

really? but why does my ST202 94 celica says 2200cc on the engine and on the engine plate it says 3sge or 3sfe ?? oh well wat ever i forgot but i m sure is a 3 something LOL i bet some the TOYOTA MORON must be ripping me off when i got the car brand new in 1994

[RomanV]

and with far more torque

That's what it really comes down to isn't it - torque. You can have all the bhp you want, but if you don't have the torque to match it doesn't mean much in the real world. As they say "BHP sells cars - torque wins races"
Gary

Especially if you have a heavy car, with a drivetrain that tries to consume as much of your torque as possible.

But jokes aside, I mostly agree.

But you dont need a gob of torque to be fast.... Some of those 2000cc/1800cc hondas are testament to this.

However, keeping things light is the key obviously.

[mr_monkey]

So what happens if you put the engine with TQ into your light car?



-nathan

[Adamal]

So what happens if you put the engine with TQ into your light car?



-nathan

Torquey engine + Lightweight car = Bye bye tyres!

[Loudtoy]

As for the topic, it would be difficult for any N/a ports car to keep up with a turbo sports car unless it had some MAJOR work done to it. In which case you'd be better off buying a turboed sports car and doing some minor mods to it thereby gaining more performance and generaly longer lifespan and reliability. (well thats my opinion anyway)

Ahem m3 or m5 would pretty much keep up with most of the turbo sports cars we have in lil ol nz, infact i would go as far as saying the new ones would probably beat most of the turbo sports cars we have in nz, unless they were lightly tickeld of course oh but wait sorry i forgot they probably not really a sports car (m3/5 that is )

[mr_monkey]

He should have worded it differently- it costs major money for any NA car to be fast compared to a turbo car.

An m3 or m5 isnt cheap.

[RomanV]

Last time I checked, neither was a brand new MR2, Supra or GT4.

[mr_monkey]

whats it cost for a 1990 m3 right now? and would it be as fast as a 1990 turbo mr2 with bleed tap?

boss in chch had an early 90's m3. it was surprisingly slow.
-nathan

[Loudtoy]

whats it cost for a 1990 m3 right now? and would it be as fast as a 1990 turbo mr2 with bleed tap?

boss in chch had an early 90's m3. it was surprisingly slow.
-nathan

Are you dead sure it was an m3, there are alot of lookalikes around out there and not many real m's. Making a standard 325/8 look like an m isn't all that hard imho - and yes it should have been as fast as an mr2 with a bleed tap, and a hell of a lot more reliable, depending on what your bleed tap had upped the boost to. Oh and na cars almost always feel slow, did you do an objective test on them or just the ultra relaible seat of the pants ometer standard??

[mr_monkey]

There is a road beside work, and i cant remember the exact speed but the boss one day was bragging about how he could take the corner before this straight flat tack and he could reach XXX speed with just enough room to stop at the end.

I did the same thing with my 1990 GT on 14psi ( running like crap too at the time) and made the same speed with a bit to stop at the end.

workmates version 7 STI could do 30KPH more IIRC than the M3 and it didnt need the run up round the corner- it would do it from a standstill.

It was deffinately a real M3.

No arguments that it would absolutely own a stock gen1 mr2 round some corners though

-Nathan.

[mr_monkey]

1990 BMW E30 M3
Year 1990
Make BMW
Model E30 M3
Engine Location Front
Drive Type Rear Wheel
Body Material Steel unibody
Price $34,950.00
Weight 2646 lbs | 1200.2 kg

Performance
0-60 mph 6.1 seconds.
1/4 Mile 14.7 seconds.
Top Speed 154.1 mph | 247.9 km/h Similar top speeds

I'm pretty sure his was a 1990.

Not really that impressive- especially since people have g-techd their standard GT's at 5.9 seconds to 100.

[Malcolm]

Not really that impressive- especially since people have g-techd their standard GT's at 5.9 seconds to 100.

Wow, now I know just how inaccurate those g-techs are!

[Loudtoy]

1990 BMW E30 M3
Year 1990
Make BMW
Model E30 M3
Engine Location Front
Drive Type Rear Wheel
Body Material Steel unibody
Price $34,950.00
Weight 2646 lbs | 1200.2 kg

Performance
0-60 mph 6.1 seconds.
1/4 Mile 14.7 seconds.
Top Speed 154.1 mph | 247.9 km/h Similar top speeds

I'm pretty sure his was a 1990.

Not really that impressive- especially since people have g-techd their standard GT's at 5.9 seconds to 100.

Fair enough but get him to g-tec his before you say it's not that great, if he'l do it that is - gtecs are notorious for being rather u'm optimistic would be the best word to use here i think.
Not trying to over rate them or anything but it's no good quoting factory figures against g-tec figures specially seeing as none of the cars would run any good on nz fuel so it'l probably be slower than claimed

[Loudtoy]

Not really that impressive- especially since people have g-techd their standard GT's at 5.9 seconds to 100.

Wow, now I know just how inaccurate those g-techs are!

Aha beat me too it there

[barryogen]

As for the topic, it would be difficult for any N/a ports car to keep up with a turbo sports car unless it had some MAJOR work done to it

Stock-ish(cold air and exhaust only) Corolla Runx is approximatly the same performance as a stock Caldina GT-T... atleast until you hit hills I guess it's the extra torque.

In which case you'd be better off buying a turboed sports car and doing some minor mods to it thereby gaining more performance and generaly longer lifespan and reliability. (well thats my opinion anyway)

indeed.

[XERO]

Yeah but look, he has done the exhaust and such too... so easy it could be faster if he's done the exhaust right... But 150kW at the wheels??? hmmm i dunno

[RomanV]

You're not going to get that much without cams, headwork, exhaust/intake, ECU etc etc, especially from a gen 3 engine!

I mean he's talking about making 230ish hp at the flywheel, it aint gonna happen with an exhaust and a pod filter.

[XERO]

Got Beams?.... nope... thens thers no show... hehe

[snwtoy]

As for the topic, it would be difficult for any N/a ports car to keep up with a turbo sports car unless it had some MAJOR work done to it

Stock-ish(cold air and exhaust only) Corolla Runx is approximatly the same performance as a stock Caldina GT-T... atleast until you hit hills I guess it's the extra torque.

Shhhhhhhhh!! Now you'll have all the boyracers wanting one!!