auckland to get 10c petrol hike

[Simon K]

I read in the papers the other day that Aucklanders enjoyed a slightly lower price on fuel than elsewhere in the country. Surely if that discrepency was rectified, they would pay the same as anyone else and there wouldn't be quite the ill feeling.

[Loudtoy]

This is so stupid. It should be nationwide as its going to help alot more people than just aucklanders.
I really hope there is something done about this.

Stupid good for nothing councils

before you southerners start getting anti auckland, dont please keep this thread on topic


http://nz.news.yahoo.com/070424/3/d2x.html

Um why should we not be anti paying for your roads?? Most of us will never drive on them and also there was a bit in there that said pretty much all major centers will have the choice of adding a bit of tax onto petrol to help pay for that regions roading. So as far as i can tell whats happening here is you want us to pay for our roads oh wait and your roads as well. BTW if auckland became it's own big republic i think you guys would have a hell of a job making the tax's you collect go far enough to stretch, your dollar would be poor vs the rest of the world simply because you don't export enough to make your dollar worth anything and just because alot of the rest of the country's exports/imports come through port of auckland then via road and rail to other centers doesn't mean we could do without you - tuaranga, napier wellington could easily cope with what auckland does and i'm sure whangarei would extend there port to look after the rest of the north.
Oh another good thing with Auckland being a republic would mean that the rest of the countries unemployment % would decrease - if you don't believe me get a copy of the figures from somewhere and have a read

[method]

You guys are all missing the point. Just because someone is from auckland it doesnt mean we will use it. Ill be paying a extra 10c for something that i dont use, i may as well live on Stewart isl and pay that extra 10c. It should either be the users who get taxed or all of nz, not just a region.

And for all you saying "boo hoo what would aucklanders say if their taxes went to us" well they do! A lot more of our taxes go to you than what comes from you. Its stupid saying blah blah blah if auckland was a republic. It wouldnt work. Auckland works because of the rest of NZ, and in turn the rest of NZ works because of auckland. Thats how the economy works. Some of you should go back to school.

1 million people live in auckland, the majority of the GDP comes from auckland. Most large companies have their head office in auckland.

Where do all those taxes go? Defiantly not all to auckland. It goes all over NZ. Theres no way smaller towns could maintain their infrastructure without Aucklands taxes not to mention all the roads in the south island that 1 car per day uses.

[Loudtoy]

1 million people live in auckland, the majority of the GDP comes from auckland. Most large companies have their head office in auckland.

The majority of gdp comes from auckland?? Last i heard we were largely a primary industry type nation, i don't see to many primary industries in auckland. Also trying to deal with most large companies head office in auckland is a bastard, is there a reason for this. I also think you missed the bit where i said i'd be happy to pay the increase in petrol that my local body council could put on here if they wanted to, just why oh why should we pay more for your roads as well as our own when there is going to be a tax added to everyones gas only the amount being up to local body.
Face it you live in the auckland region, you might not use that particular road they are talking about but i'm 99% sure you will use it more than me and hey, if i'm in auckland driving on auckland roads i'm sure i'm going to be paying auckland prices - how can it be any more fair than that??
If you don't like it move somewhere else!

[Mr.Phreak]

Theres no way smaller towns could maintain their infrastructure without Aucklands taxes not to mention all the roads in the south island that 1 car per day uses.

That's kind of the point some of us are making, there is no maintenance on our infrastructure, so we get kind of annoyed at the prospect of paying for improvements elsewhere when we have barely usable roads. And while I agree a toll system would be better, but people are inherently stupid and will drive an extra 50 odd km, just to avoid paying a $1/$2 toll and will just congest alternative routes

And while a lot of NZ's taxes do come from Auckland, a lot of it sure as hell is spent up there

Either way, it's always a pointless discussion on a forum because it always turns into a Pro-Auckland Anti-Auckland shitfight, if you're really opposed to it, go do something about it, we don't need to have another argument that'll turn out exactly like the 40 before it.

[method]

Yeah, well roads with a low traffic volume do get low mantinance priorities.

Doesn't help that they are chipseal which requires regular resurfacing, its only a step away from gravel roads.

NZ cant afford to keep all its roads in good condition, high volume roads are hotmix which needs less maintinance but costs more to put down. Be great if all roads could be concrete or hotmix, but there isnt enough cashflow for the initial investment.

I guess we have to be glad our roads arn't gravel
We have shitty roads here too, go off the main road and onto a semirural road and its potholes, ruts, bad alignments everywhere.

I don't remember gisbourns roads being particularly bad!

[vvega]

what about hamilton
our roads are absolute crap
i hae to avoid a pot hole teh otherday on a main link that woudl have beached teh mr2

funnly enough say that if aucklnd $&#$% ff were be $&#$% is just stupid matt soory mate btu it is
if everthign south of the bombays dies auckland woudl be rooted\
where do you think most of your stuff goes ??
teh dairy industry....one of teh biggestest erner in teh country ....

auckland is teh hub of manu bigger industry
thik of it as a spider web and auckland been teh middle
take out teh midlle and it still catches fles and feeds teh spider
take away any part of the outer web and the rest will blow away

i think its a silly idea have localised taxes
it is a national problem but tbh were paying for a population that isnt even native nz in a large part
ive been paying taxes for many years and foreniers come here and use my roads and services
im not anti anyone i just think we should carge a syrcharge to let people vist or moreso to migrate here
same with torest industry
they should be taxed heavier
for teh most part tehy make massiv proffets ...and where dose it all go ???

im not racest cause racems a crime and crime is for black people

please take that as a joke :d
im all for people moving here and paying for it :d

[Mr.Phreak]

I don't remember gisbourns roads being particularly bad!

The main highway between Napier and Gisborne has had a roundabout that's been gravel for about two months

And our low traffic roads are fine, it's the trucking routes which are absolutely $&#$%. Talking relative traffic loads of course.

And as previously mentioned, we already pay a premium for petrol as transport costs a fortune, so if it goes ahead, I imagine it won't be just Auckland that's affected anyway.

I'm not saying I agree with the idea, but I doubt there's anyone here who actually knows enough to make an informed decision one way or the other and will just turn into an argument because no one really wants to be paying more.

And to be honest, from the companies I deal with, Auckland is becoming less of a hub these days with a lot of places just having an office/warehouse that comms are routed across the ditch to a head office. Not to mention places that are moving out of the main centre to save on leases/property etc

[RedMist]

This is so stupid. It should be nationwide as its going to help alot more people than just aucklanders.
I really hope there is something done about this.

Stupid good for nothing councils

before you southerners start getting anti auckland, dont please keep this thread on topic

How paradoxical. You want everyone else to pay for Auckland roads but you dont want everyone else to have a say in that fact. And for some reason you seem to think Auckland is the hub of New Zealand.
In actual fact it would appear that Auckland would be destroyed without the rest of the country. When us southerners cut off your power for several months it didnt seem to affect me. Other than broaden the smile on my face. And without my petrol tax surcharge there wouldnt be transport infrastructure in Auckland.
More to the point, why do you think that people that dont benefit from a service pay for that service?

[Adamal]

Personally, as an Aucklander, I don't think it would be fair for other people around the country to have to pay for the roads up here.

I mean, sure, theres the whole thing of the transporting goods, but on the other hand, they won't be using the roads at all.

If the WERE going to be giving a hike for the whole country, I think that going on the transport factor, everyone should pay a smaller amount (Say 2 cents) and as Aucklanders will actually be driving on the roads, then they have to pay another 8 cents (making it the proposed 10 cents).

That way Aucklanders couldn't whinge about the whole transporting thing and the rest of NZ wouldn't complain about having to pay for Aucklands roads.

You'd think that the government would know what the word 'compromise' is!

[Jazza]

im sorry dont see why i should pay for roads ill never drive on if the delivery truck drives on the road and he buys his gas from auckland thats his problem no mine, plus i never buy sh1t from auckland anyways

seems you guys want better roads but you dont wanna pay for them

Why should i pay 3.5c per litre for trains im never going to use?

Point made

[Alex B]

Rant

Your far to much a southerner to live up there dude.

[DJ]

Most of the tax thats applied on petrol is already paying for Auckland roads, so you's can god dam pay for some yourselfs I says


/antirantbarrier

[Mad Murphy]

Why not do it like the old days or in other countries and make toll roads? That way only the people who use those roads have to pay for them. Seems fair to me.

[Adamal]

Rant

Your far to much a southerner to live up there dude.

I did live in Cromwell for a year... Hehe

[RomanV]

I LOL at people that get fired up over AKL vs non AKL debates...

I honestly couldnt give a shit about whether I live in AKL or anywhere else, or anything remotely related to the topic.

[the fallen303]

i love this, the other day it was 7m vs 1jz, today it's auck's vs NZ

*kicks back with popcorn and deck chair*

[Emz]

I live in Auckland and I'm not pissed off that the tax is only for Auckland. What DOES piss me off is that a portion of the tax is going on the train system (which is a joke anyway).
Its just yet another way to punish people who drive cars for not using public transport. GRRR!

[Adamal]

Yeah, if they're going to put it towards the trains, then they shouldn't charge people on the north shore as much as the rest of Auckland because there aren't even any trains over here

[snwtoy]

I live in Auckland and I'm not pissed off that the tax is only for Auckland. What DOES piss me off is that a portion of the tax is going on the train system (which is a joke anyway).
Its just yet another way to punish people who drive cars for not using public transport. GRRR!

Eh? You mad or what. Auckland's lack of decent PT system is holding back economic growth. The more money invested in it the better.