Turbo/wastegate upgrade = cert

[Stott69]

^That would be me. Car was single conversion when I got it with no cert, so asumed there wasnt a need till it was making 20%? more power over factory rating.

[loudstealthGT-Four]

Even if you have an aftermarket turbo/wastegate, does it even get noted on the cert plate?

Is it not just classed as Modified? i.e TOY MOD, for modified Toyota?

[Doriftering]

Even if you have an aftermarket turbo/wastegate, does it even get noted on the cert plate?

Is it not just classed as Modified? i.e TOY MOD, for modified Toyota?

Nope doesn't get noted

Yep, mine just says TOYOTA MOD

[wde_bdy]

If you don't want to pay for the cert then might as well cancel your insurance as well and save some more wasted money.

Callum

[Al]

If you don't want to pay for the cert then might as well cancel your insurance as well and save some more wasted money.

Callum

That totally depends on the actual incident.

If your car is parked on the side of the road with a current WOF, licenced and parked legally and some numpty drives into it, your insurance company has to pay out if you make a claim regardless if you put a T88 on it the day before and haven't got it certed 'yet'.

[wde_bdy]

That is a very arguable area you don't want to argue in if you can avoid it. Plenty of case law on vehicle faults not contributing to a claim not being a reason to decline a claim (bald tyres on a car hit from behind etc) but when you get into mods or driving history the insurance company can and will claim they would never have offered you insurance if the full details were declared to them. That invalidates your policy from the day it was taken out rather than at the point of the claim.

Callum

[B1NZ]

If you don't want to pay for the cert then might as well cancel your insurance as well and save some more wasted money.

Callum

This is what I was thinking, Just budget the cert into the cost of your modifications and there shouldnt be any hassles down the road

[Mr Ree]

If you don't want to pay for the cert then might as well cancel your insurance as well and save some more wasted money.

Callum

This is what I was thinking, Just budget the cert into the cost of your modifications and there shouldnt be any hassles down the road

That is all well and good for those who are responsible, but unfortunately that group is only a small section of modified car owners, it seems.

As proven by all the rediculously set up cars you see everyday, running stupid camber, and bouncing around on their bumpstops, with external 'gate screaming, Or 400+kw set ups, still running the small factory brakes etc.

Most people only care about the parts that get you street cred lol

[STR]

Interesting topic, especially given my fully certified car has a blown turbo that I'm replacing with a different one. I haven't got a wastegate now, but if go with at aTD05 then I'll put one in. I guess technically, I need a new cert then?

Having said that, nowhere on the cert plate or the paperwork does it actually say what kind of turbo it is. It only states that it's "1600 INJ TURBO"

[loudstealthGT-Four]

Interesting topic, especially given my fully certified car has a blown turbo that I'm replacing with a different one. I haven't got a wastegate now, but if go with at aTD05 then I'll put one in. I guess technically, I need a new cert then?

Having said that, nowhere on the cert plate or the paperwork does it actually say what kind of turbo it is. It only states that it's "1600 INJ TURBO"

Thats what i was getting at, once you have a cert plate whats stopping you chucking on a bigger turbo/wastegate, no wof inspecter/police officer is going to no any different?

[iOnic]

Same deal with the 20% power increase ^
A cop having a bad day could still quite easily ping you for having something on the car that isn't on the cert plate.

[metric]

You can debate it all day.

It should be done based on the rules, General joe bloggs wont notice/care only person that could hang you out to dry will be your certifier.
He will have a pretty good record of what he has seen on the vehicle including photos, if the insurance company come after him as a certifier it wouldnt be hard to prove the vehicle has been modifed after cert.

Same as everycar that gets LVV cert on run in tune , Boost controller etc
Should be certified but isnt , its another out for the insurance company.

[FANGIN]

I got my car a cert on run in tune.

Are you now suggesting that I should have run my car in on the road illegally before going for cert
Or that once I up the boost I should go get re certed even though physically no parts on the vehicle have been changed?

I'm pretty sure the police would frown at option A
and that my certifier would laugh at me if I approached him about wasting his time re certifying my car just because it is now running higher boost.

[metric]

I got my car a cert on run in tune.

Are you now suggesting that I should have run my car in on the road illegally before going for cert
Or that once I up the boost I should go get re certed even though physically no parts on the vehicle have been changed?

I'm pretty sure the police would frown at option A
and that my certifier would laugh at me if I approached him about wasting his time re certifying my car just because it is now running higher boost.

Just saying techically by the 20% rule it should be done , but no person in there right mind would actually do it

[FANGIN]

Haha, yeah, I agree with ya.

[Mr Ree]

It does make that a very interesting topic though.

I wonder what checks a certifier would want to do, on a car that had already been certified earlier?

Lets say just as an loose example, the car in question was previously an NA chassis, that had now been turbocharged, running at 8psi off the WG spring circa 300whp, and all the typical things like over specced larger brakes, newer/upgraded suspension, drive-shaft hoops had been installed etc, then a year down the track, a change is made by installing an EBC, and winding in another 8 pounds into it, thus adding another 150hp or so.

I wonder what changes, if any, the inspector would like to see performed? Or would he just want to ensure that the installation was still done to the required standard?

[Lith]

And if you turn the boost controller off when you go for the cert...?

[FANGIN]

I ran WG pressure for my cert ~200kw atw.
Full power tune soon and will be shooting for over 300kw atw
(Car has a best of 251kw with heaps of fuel and timing pulled back)

Will I need a cert for the 50% increase in power?
Technically yes.
Will I actually get one?
F no.

[1I1]

Surely the certifier would factor in the potential for simply winding more power into a car? ie if the car's brakes are only just coping as it is they might rasie the issue?

[Mr Ree]

And if you turn the boost controller off when you go for the cert...?

Hehe, yes there is always that option, but I guess my question was more coming from the "strictly legal" aspect, and whether or not there are clear cut rules the certifier would have to follow.

I ran WG pressure for my cert ~200kw atw.
Full power tune soon and will be shooting for over 300kw atw
(Car has a best of 251kw with heaps of fuel and timing pulled back)

Will I need a cert for the 50% increase in power?
Technically yes.
Will I actually get one?
F no.

Im sure the vast majority of people in your position would do the same
P.S Your car sounds cool

Surely the certifier would factor in the potential for simply winding more power into a car? ie if the car's brakes are only just coping as it is they might rasie the issue?

If the brakes were only just coping, Im sure you would be told to upgrade them in some way, shape, or form, as the whole point to a cert is making sure nothing is border line, surely?

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