New Demerit + Fine System & Radar Dectectors Banned

[barryogen]

As for dectectors - someone invent ones that can be integrated into your car audio system. Then they would be undetectable by police and you still get a small amount of protection.

The cop guns pick up radar detectors as in essence the detectors give off their own radiation, there is only one on the market that doesn't, re-read the thread, it is mentioned in here somewhere.

And if they did the above, they'd ban stereos... hardly a good idea.

[Santa'sBoostinSleigh]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/4349063a28.html

I bet if this happened it would cause more road rage and accidents


example - so true:

Nanna and Grandpa are in their Ford Ka tootling along at 70-80 on the main road, suddenly the road widens and is straight and Granny speeds up to 100kph cause suddely she isnt scared of the mean corners, oh my, it happens to be a passing lane, surprise surprise.
then fred from down the road pulls out to pass, he knows his speed limiter thingee will cut his car out at 120, so he cautiously goes 109 and passes Granny, a couple of other cars also pass. then poor old car enthusiest guy (what was his name Johnny something Aces?) decides he doesnt want to be stuck behind Granny for another 50 odd kms before the next passing lane, so he pulls out and gives it a go. problem being passing lane is running out, and a truck is coming the other way. he floors it so he doesnt have a head on
meanwhile granny still has her foot up it as she hasnt even noticed other cars around, apart from one in front that passed her and "boy jingos he was a mad man and shouldnt have passed so dangerously" she murmers to Grandpa
Johnny ? Aces has a choice of gun it and try to get past, or slam on his brakes, let granny in front, try swerve in behind her and hope noone goes up his buttocks or is following too close to granny so he can actually fit in, or just have a head on with the truck
whats the right choice here?
1) he has the technical right of way as he is on grannys RHS
2) granny has been holding up traffic
3) granny either a) doesnt realise he is there, or b) thinks she is a better driver and wants to be in front, or c) doesnt even know the road code as she paid her fee and got a licence 60 years ago
Johnny guns it, hits the speed cut thingee, cant get round, crash burn, everybody dies
then Boy Racers get blamed of course

[Santa'sBoostinSleigh]

I know for one NO police car would catch, let alone keep up with my car. But then i hardly break the limit (i just dont slow down for corners lol)

you sir, are a fool
1) you arent the best driver in the world - cops do loads more driver training than you, especially Highway Patrol
(in saying this cops arent the best drivers in the world also)
2) radios are faster than your car
3) roadspikes pwn your tyres
4) its not 1 on 1, theres a whole force of cops to chase you down
5) this is one of the reasons Joe Public hate "BoyRacers)
6) its just fcuking stupid and putting people at risk

[SIKBUZ]

they may not be able to keep up with your car

but they could probably keep up with you

Lol got to identify the rego tho and they arent going to see that if i ran

And would like to reiterate - Not that i would run

[SIKBUZ]

As for dectectors - someone invent ones that can be integrated into your car audio system. Then they would be undetectable by police and you still get a small amount of protection.

The cop guns pick up radar detectors as in essence the detectors give off their own radiation, there is only one on the market that doesn't, re-read the thread, it is mentioned in here somewhere.

And if they did the above, they'd ban stereos... hardly a good idea.

Thats true, but it would be a great invention!

[Stealer Of Souls]

example - so true:
Nanna and Grandpa are in their Ford Ka tootling along at 70-80 on the main road, suddenly the road widens and is straight and Granny speeds up to 100kph cause suddely she isnt scared of the mean corners, oh my, it happens to be a passing lane, surprise surprise.
......
whats the right choice here?
1) he has the technical right of way as he is on grannys RHS
2) granny has been holding up traffic
3) granny either a) doesnt realise he is there, or b) thinks she is a better driver and wants to be in front, or c) doesnt even know the road code as she paid her fee and got a licence 60 years ago
Johnny guns it, hits the speed cut thingee, cant get round, crash burn, everybody dies
then Boy Racers get blamed of course

While I agree with what's being said/meant in this example. I think we should all remember that the majority of public don't like to drive like us. I always try to maintain a good speed. I drive a good car, and have confidence (perhaps a tad too much) in my car and my ability. Add to this I like to "challenge" myself when the corners come and you have a person who will normally take corners at a rather unpassenger friendly speed.
Blink back to the majority of people (especially the holiday makers with a carload of people). They're happy in a straight line since straight lines don't throw the passengers around, and the car is more than capable of maintaining the (still illegal) speed of 109kph. But in a corner they don't want to bang little passenger daisy against the window as they rip around the corners at near the speed limit. They can. But they don't. Granny and gramps are old and conservative. Granny has no need or desire to propel gramps's face into the window by cornering at 100+kph.
Back to us. We love plaster our passengers face against the side window (assuming they're one of us). And equally they like it too.

As always there are exceptions. But it is as much our intolerance of the "normal" that is lacking, as is the other drivers lack of "driving etiquette".


And it was Buddy Aces?

[SIKBUZ]

I know for one NO police car would catch, let alone keep up with my car. But then i hardly break the limit (i just dont slow down for corners lol)

you sir, are a fool
1) you arent the best driver in the world - cops do loads more driver training than you, especially Highway Patrol
(in saying this cops arent the best drivers in the world also)
2) radios are faster than your car
3) roadspikes pwn your tyres
4) its not 1 on 1, theres a whole force of cops to chase you down
5) this is one of the reasons Joe Public hate "BoyRacers)
6) its just fcuking stupid and putting people at risk

Lol

You need to read the whole sentence. I said I would not run - im saying young idiots would run and have seen the idiots do it

and as for your list

1) Alot of police officers i know personally (and i know more than a few) arent great drivers. They believe they are good drivers at best. This is from their own mouths and i know they get driver training - i've done some too and i dont believe im all that good. And i said i wouldn't run
2) I do believe i said i wouldn't run
3) Reiterate number 2
4) They actually have to catch you in the act or you can deny it. Reiterate number 2
5) I hate boyracers as well. Never been one and most are complete idiots - like rotary drivers and hoonda-heads (and i drive 2 rotaries).
6) You are completely right and would like one more time to reiterate number 2.

Not getting at you dude but dislike being called an idiot when i was pointing out some young idiot (boyracers) would run and their cars are quicker than police cars. Shouldn't have used my own car as an example.

[slighty_sykotic]

As for dectectors - someone invent ones that can be integrated into your car audio system. Then they would be undetectable by police and you still get a small amount of protection.

The cop guns pick up radar detectors as in essence the detectors give off their own radiation, there is only one on the market that doesn't, re-read the thread, it is mentioned in here somewhere.

And if they did the above, they'd ban stereos... hardly a good idea.

Thats true, but it would be a great invention!

What? Are you a bit slow mate? Do you not understand that putting it into the car audio system would do shit all? So how is it still a great invention?

And blackjak, you are right, its a very small processing time, but I have heard at LEAST 10 cases of this on the police radio. It seems to take a little while.

[cogent]

Its 'Johnny Five Aces'.

he drives around with a face like this

[SIKBUZ]

Not slow - pondering the idea.

There are units for laser detection overseas where the face of the unit is the size of the side of a matchbox. They use detection which the police don't pick up on hidden behind grills etc. Now rather than having the small face why not have a plug on for your audio unit which simply lets you know the detector has picked up a radar?

Utilising the audio system of a car to issue a warning, like a beep similar to that of a radar detector, would be the same as having a hidden dectector installed in your car. Only the beep would be louder. Now if you could do that without the detector radiation making the police aware you have a detector in the car then you would have a product that would sell and it would be a good invention. You would have a detection unit and the police would not know.

Or am i wrong?

[Santa'sBoostinSleigh]

in know what you meant, i was more meaning people that think "my car is so fast noone could catch me"

and for a stereo plugin type thing to actually pick up and alert you of a radar signal - aka detect a radar (in itself would be a radar detector), then this in fact would be illegal under new laws, and again refer to radar detector detectors

Ah yes JFA, i fogot the five

and when i said BoyRacer, i was saying it in Joe Publics eyes, cause Car Enthusiests (sp?), bogans, racecar drivers etc etc all fall under Boy Racer category apparently

[SIKBUZ]

in know what you meant, i was more meaning people that think "my car is so fast noone could catch me"

and for a stereo plugin type thing to actually pick up and alert you of a radar signal - aka detect a radar (in itself would be a radar detector), then this in fact would be illegal under new laws, and again refer to radar detector detectors

Hahahaha people do think that they wont get caught though!! And thats the funny thing!

Fair enough - was just toying with the idea - i've not been a "Boy racer", preferring to spend time at home than out driving to all hours

[tsoob]

aussie is not an option if you like cars!

it is if you have a huge bank account, otherwise you are absolutley correct.

[Loudtoy]

After spending a fair amout of time this holidays towing a float around i would say that the thing on stuff would actually work quite well in nz.
I say ths because most people have no idea what speed they are going at and mirrors are only to look at your self in when your getting ready to go out so worst case example is granny or soccer mum doing 80.
80% of people will not pass you even when you pull over unless you come to a complete halt which i'm not enclined to do every half hour because the person behind me is to scared to pass me when i have all wheels at least a foot inside the lane he would be in to pass - i mostly get passed by trucks when doing this and only up hills etc when i don't have the power to keep up with them. Angry glares in passing lanes are a sure way to fire me up when i've brusied my kindneys by being on the shoulder for 5 minutes to let them past
Could we introduce the thing they talking about in aussie but somehow have it sorted so there is a waning when there is 3+ cars who have caught you and been behind you for 5 minutes or more. I personally wouldn't mind this feature as i'm one of the 20% of people who will pass when i have the oportunity and if some one was stuck behind me for that long i'd already have moved over when ever possible

[NZVengeance]

example - so true:
Nanna and Grandpa are in their Ford Ka tootling along at 70-80 on the main road, suddenly the road widens and is straight and Granny speeds up to 100kph cause suddely she isnt scared of the mean corners, oh my, it happens to be a passing lane, surprise surprise.
......
whats the right choice here?
1) he has the technical right of way as he is on grannys RHS
2) granny has been holding up traffic
3) granny either a) doesnt realise he is there, or b) thinks she is a better driver and wants to be in front, or c) doesnt even know the road code as she paid her fee and got a licence 60 years ago
Johnny guns it, hits the speed cut thingee, cant get round, crash burn, everybody dies
then Boy Racers get blamed of course

While I agree with what's being said/meant in this example. I think we should all remember that the majority of public don't like to drive like us. I always try to maintain a good speed. I drive a good car, and have confidence (perhaps a tad too much) in my car and my ability. Add to this I like to "challenge" myself when the corners come and you have a person who will normally take corners at a rather unpassenger friendly speed.
Blink back to the majority of people (especially the holiday makers with a carload of people). They're happy in a straight line since straight lines don't throw the passengers around, and the car is more than capable of maintaining the (still illegal) speed of 109kph. But in a corner they don't want to bang little passenger daisy against the window as they rip around the corners at near the speed limit. They can. But they don't. Granny and gramps are old and conservative. Granny has no need or desire to propel gramps's face into the window by cornering at 100+kph.
Back to us. We love plaster our passengers face against the side window (assuming they're one of us). And equally they like it too.

As always there are exceptions. But it is as much our intolerance of the "normal" that is lacking, as is the other drivers lack of "driving etiquette".


And it was Buddy Aces?

It is not that difficult to go around a corner on the open road at the speed limit without plastering your face on the window. even the '45kph' corners. those '45kph' signs are the recommended speed for a heavy laden truck in wet conditions so normally for a car load of people 80kph is nice and comfortable and if you know how to taken a corner (wide, hit apex, wide) then you can do it faster with just as much comfot.

Now i didnt read the whole thread cause im at work and 15 pages is too long :p but i think the best way to stop problems is this.

make it mandatory to do a physical driver training course when you get you license at the moment a 'defensive driving course' is just paper work and people only do it to make their restricted 12 months. also after the age of 60 it should be required to prove competence in a car every 5 years. also if an elderly person is reported for driving slowly or badly on the 2nd report they should be made to prove driving competence. Im sure im not the ownly on whos come round a country road at 80kph and nearly hit granny doing 20kph. they are more of a danger on the road then anyone else

next thing. if you are not confident on the road then you shouldn't be there. now im the last person to bag a lerner driver in fact i make sure i keep my distance as theya re learning. but one u have your restricted or full. if your going to be out on the open road you better be able to maintain your speed. as a driver who travels form auckland to tauranga alot i get sick of people who go 120kph on the strights and 60kph rtound the corners. and then as soon as there is a little bit of drizzle instanly they do 70kph. i mean common now road tires can handle water unless its pissing down you dont need to slow down mearly adjust your driving style. breaker earlier take smoother lines round corner. now ill be honest i learnt alot about how to driving from racing. but those same things get taught to you in practical defensive driving.

to close: if more people were confident on the road and could maintain a decent speed all the time. accident would stop (no angry drivers taking risks) and people wouldn't speed (to get out of the way of slow driver).
Im not saying it would stop al together but it would reduce it alot.


P.S for alot of 'boy racers' making the track a cheap and readly available place to have fun would more than likely to deter them from racing. there will always be those 'oxygen thieves' who just do uit for the thrill of getting caught. but once they see the track 1st hand and get out there they will see the light and how much better it is.

Signed.

Slightly crazy ex hoon.

[barryogen]

those '45kph' signs are the recommended speed for a heavy laden truck in wet conditions

are you sure on that one?
I'm pretty sure that it is meant to be the "safe speed to take the corner in ideal conditions" or something along those lines... at least thats what the cop dude told me when he ticketed me for going over(far) it

[NZVengeance]

i was told that explanation by an old cop friend of mine. try this. next time you see that 45kph sign slow down to 45pkh and see how 'slow' it is. trust me mabey it is the recommended speed in ideal conditions for a 1930s ford. but not for an car made in the last 20 years.

[molex]

I'm pretty sure that it is meant to be the "safe speed to take the corner in ideal conditions" or something along those lines... at least thats what the cop dude told me when he ticketed me for going over(far) it

You can be ticketed for going faster than the recommended speed, but slower than the speed limit for that zone? Who decides what's too fast?

[NZVengeance]

by law these are the rules (as i have been told) you may go upto 10kmph OVER the speed limit or 20 kpmh UNDER the speed limit.

no interms of a coner you may go as fast as you like around that corner with the upto 10 kpmh over the speed limit law. however if it any time your car is lowsing traction/ becomes unsafe at that speed or you are unable to handle it safely you can be ticketed. those 'reccomended' speeds are exactly that a recommendation not something that can be upheld by law.

what people fail to realise is that the police WILL give you a ticket for something that is not against the law, reason ebing it gives them revenue and most people wouldnt know. i had a friend whose sister turned around in the back seat to see if the car behind them was a cop, he got a ticket for inconsiderate driving. he wrote in about it and got off. had he no written in he would have had to pay for it. dont ever listen to the BS that a cop gives you. go and check the actual law before you pay a ticket.

[Mr Revhead]

a 45k suggested corner at 80+?

not safely you wont.