Girl car fans -> all-girls Club - avoiding 'Boyracer' tag

[Leon]

We attended Manfield open days almost every month a few years back, The closest I saw to an accident was a guy in an old MK1 Cortina with 17 inch wheels on the Higgins corner with 1 wheel having fell off.

I attended about six open days. One where they took a guy away in an ambulance with his face hanging open, and two with serious roll overs. I've got pictures from back in the day of a 180SX that is half flat, and another of a 300Z t-top with much the same flat roof syndrome.

So that's about a 50% strike rate for the ones I attended.

[2jayzgte]

Man I'm not hearing any solutions here just a consensus that what ever is suggested gets shot to bits.While this is all well and good I personally don't think anyone outside of myself really that has suggested anything that might work.

So what is to become of this problem we just leave them to it on the streets and go for GOLD...The GOVT clearly has shown that they are purely over reacting and they have'nt got a real solution as I don't believe car crushing is going to work and us here are already to find the short comings of suggestions made so where to from here.

To me this has become a pointless discussion as no one is willing to come up with viable solutions as it is clear basic rules and regs are'nt what these guys are up for so what now?????

[strx7]

Man I'm not hearing any solutions here just a consensus that what ever is suggested gets shot to bits.While this is all well and good I personally don't think anyone outside of myself really that has suggested anything that might work.

So what is to become of this problem we just leave them to it on the streets and go for GOLD...The GOVT clearly has shown that they are purely over reacting and they have'nt got a real solution as I don't believe car crushing is going to work and us here are already to find the short comings of suggestions made so where to from here.

To me this has become a pointless discussion as no one is willing to come up with viable solutions as it is clear basic rules and regs are'nt what these guys are up for so what now?????

Thats because there is NO solution,
MSNZ car clubs have been trying all sorts of different things for the past 10+ years to achieve this and they've all given up trying. Short of having NO cars in NZ at all, you cannot get 'boy racers' off the street, they have no intentions of doing things legally and never will.

[2jayzgte]

MSNZ helping or trying to solve the boy-racer problem please explain to me exactly what they have done?????

As for Car Clubs well I don't think they have done a hell of alot either they are just a word of mouth come to the club night do a few events type deal this is the main reason I joined the one I'm at so I can do events.

There are solutions to most problems but the powers that be are just not trying hard enough or its just not important enough for them to care hence why they have come up with this stupid car crushing law.

[Rally Stylz]

Car clubs work there ass off to try get "Boy Racers" off the street.
There are heaps of events around if the lazy pr***s just get off there a** and look.
Things clubs do to try and encourage legal skids for example is you can do the first couple of events without a membership first.
They generally offer a huge variations of events to try accommodate everybody's taste.

But from what I've seen is "Boy Racers" can't handle any sort of structure or rules. Maybe it's too hard on there simple brains?
They have no respect for anyone else and think we are all hear to make them happy.

Don't blame the car clubs. They are all volunters who put massive amounts of there own personal time into it for no sort of financial gain so the rest of us can have some fun.

Ok I feel better now.

Now how can we fix this?

I don't know if it's possible because from what i've seen and heard the majority of the people doing this get there biggest thrill knowing that it's illegal. Now how do you change that?
I've thrown around ideas with people about public skid pads and stuff but it always seems to come down to they would rather do it on the straight for the thrill off getting away with something illegal.

Maybe they should be locked in prison with all the other people who like doing illegal things

Jordan
Age: 21
Keeps skids to the track

[FLAWLES]

i dont think this type of thing should fall on msnz shoulders, reliying on them to sort this is just stupid and shouldnt happen
( off topic maybe???? )

at the end of the day its a youth thing, gen Y or what ever they are now there are the root of all evil, that and the justice system that nz has

[strx7]

you just dont seem to get it do you?

As a number of people in this thread (whom have been involved with organising motorsport events) have said, we have tried getting boy racers to come to legal events and compete in events - motorkhana's & autocrosses, printed off flyers, handed them out to the 'likely lads' the ond one comes along, watches (doesn't want to get shown up by a 60 yr old in an underpowered car) then leaves and does a big skid as they leave the venue.

Can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.......

[sergei]

There is no such thing as boyracer. Right now modified cars are the trend, before bikes, before that ... don't know I am not that old.

I call them "gopniki" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopniki), some one else will call them chavs, anyway, there is no such thing as boyracer. There is a thing called hooligan that happens to do stupid shit in the car. People put chromies on cars for same reason that people put massive chains on the necks, no one is complaining about boyrappers, do they?

Anyway, you take away cars from these lowlifes and they will find something else to cause mayhem with.
There will always be young, stupid and reckless.

Right now they happen to centre around the cars (actually not true, media happens to centre on their car behaviour).

[o0hoe rolla0o]

this article made me "lol" i cant believe that the government can legally define someone as a "boy racer" what the $ht is that!!! I know Stacey well she’s a good friend of mine she’s been to more than just evolve events i just think she being a media Wh#%, repping the evolve club (lol)

key points that make me GRRRR...

1. Government being arses and making anyone that has a modded car an instant boy racer.

2. Actual street racers and Cu#$ nuggets that have no brain and do stupid crap like burnouts in town and do 1000001 laps of the CBD in there stupid POS cars

3. Old people that complain to the cops and claim im street racing down my st because once or twice they have heard my BOV vent...GRRRR!

4. smurfs...why are they blue?

[strx7]

the easiest way to solve the boy racer issue is this.

Remove speed limits from all streets between the hours of 9pm and 5am. During these hours, allow 'sudden loss of traction' burnouts, skids and other such holigan type behavour.

Because if all these things were 100% legal and not against the law then the 'boy racers' wouldn't be breaking the law and therefore wouldn't get a thrill doing them, it wouldn't be 'bad A5S' or "cool" and therefore would need to find something else illegal to do to be 'bad AS5' and 'cool'.

[FLAWLES]

you just dont seem to get it do you?



Can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.......

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was that intended at me?

your dead right in saying that you can Can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink, but if you dont want that horse to drink why let it?
do you see what i mean?

its all good and fine " trying " to get these type of pple to these events and what not, but why try? why waste your time? you know what the end result is going to be

its a up hill battle, always will be so again why should this issue fall on the likes of car clubs to sort it out by running more events? when it could be a win lose situation

[strx7]

Can lead a horse to water but you cant make it drink.......

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was that intended at me?

No, i was doing a reply to 2jayz but as you could appreicate, during work hours it takes a bit longer than usual.

[Truenotch]

and another of a 300Z t-top with much the same flat roof syndrome.

I was there that day as a 14/15 year old... I think they drove it home as well!


Coryn:
We have been getting a decent number of the "boy racer" crowd to come to our open days, but as far as I can see it doesn't help. Sure, after a day of thrashing on the track you no longer feel like going fast on the street, but that feeling can only last a week. I think that coming to events could even be seen to "fuel the fire" because they know what the limits of their cars are and can go faster than before. So what you end up with are safer, faster "boy racers" that still do the same thing because it's their social scene. But it depends who they are obviously.

It's a problem thats never going to go away, and a problem that has been present forever. How many of your parents / older family members used to own an escort or Datsun that they would thrash around the street? A large number I would think. It's possible that they are all still "hoons" as well, you see it all the time... Ever noticed how many old man racers in V8 Commodores or Falcons there are? Notice how they always seem to pass EVERYONE on long journeys? They are the "boy racers of the past, but they don't do laps.

strx7:
Yeah the clubs are trying really hard to get the "boy racers" to come and be real racers, but it gets put in the too-hard basket at times due to a lack of response. Lately there's been a lot of effort going into making it as easy as possible for new people to try out their cars and skills... They all say they are keen but don't often stick to their word. Even saying things like "if you can bring 5 mates to enter you get free entry" or "If you bring 5 mates to marshal we'll PAY THEM to watch from the middle"... So far nothing.
There is light though, we had a good number of new, young people marshaling at the hill climbs on the weekend. They would normally be seen as "yo boys" or whatever you want to call them, but were committed and did their job well. It's all about getting in touch with the right people. If a good number decide to help and do things with the club then others will follow.

Without a car culture, development of that culture stops. It just so happens that the current social scene is dominated by sideways hats, instead of the moustaches and Stubbies that would have been seen in the 70's. It will change, we just have to try and nudge it in the right direction.

Jordan
Age: 21
Keeps skids to the track

Markku
Age: 20

[Loudtoy]

We attended Manfield open days almost every month a few years back, The closest I saw to an accident was a guy in an old MK1 Cortina with 17 inch wheels on the Higgins corner with 1 wheel having fell off.

I attended about six open days. One where they took a guy away in an ambulance with his face hanging open, and two with serious roll overs. I've got pictures from back in the day of a 180SX that is half flat, and another of a 300Z t-top with much the same flat roof syndrome.

So that's about a 50% strike rate for the ones I attended.

Hmm i was there for both those plus the kp60 that ended up on it's side round the old chriss amon part just before the flat hairpin - oh and was also there the day i put my hr30 into the wall at the last corner before the main straight - can't remember if it's coke of not.
Still did another couple of open days in the new car i brought but made sure i stayed well away from other cars (as much as possible) as i partly put the tires incident down to the advent of drifting and the munter in front of me spinning. I was right on the limit of what my car would do and asking for the little bit extra just turned it into a land based helicopter. 900 into the tires backwards and one banana car resulted - no injuries tho which was damn lucky considering i had no helmet and only a 3 point belt.
Now i only play in cars with cage, belts seats etc the whole nine yards and since i've had car such as this i've never stacked one - touch wood.

But on topic i didn't bother replying to this at first because i thought, who believes anything in the media as it's generally such a beat up and i don't believe julian would actually say anything remotely like that and various other versions of the above.

[strx7]

900 into the tires backwards and one banana car resulted - no injuries tho which was damn lucky considering i had no helmet and only a 3 point belt.
Now i only play in cars with cage, belts seats etc the whole nine yards and since i've had car such as this i've never stacked one - touch wood.

6 years ago, i was passenger in a race car on a timed run, we left the road on the finish line and hit a tree stump doing approx 120kph. We walked away with only a few broken bones, thanks to the harness belts, race seats & full rollcage, the car was a wreck, bent out of shape from one end to the other.
I competed in my first motorkhana at age 15, have been a member of the Tauranga Mount Motorsport Club since then. Was on the committee for a handful of years, am I'm now 27.
Shane

[Truenotch]

Alcohol linked to fatal crash
Speed and alcohol were possible factors in a fatal car crash in Palmerston North that claimed the life of a teenager, police say.

Nathan Phillip Conlon, 17, from Feilding, died in Palmerston North hospital on Sunday night after the car he was travelling in crossed the centre line on John F Kennedy Dr and collided with an oncoming vehicle just before midnight on Saturday. The driver, an 18-year-old from Bunnythorpe, is recovering in Palmerston North Hospital.

Detective Senior Sergeant Craig Sheridan said Mr Conlon and the injured driver were travelling in a 1996 Nissan Silvia on a 50kmh stretch of road. "I understand that that vehicle has crossed the medium strip and collided with a Nissan Hilux which was travelling in the opposite direction.

"Speed is considered a factor in the crash and alcohol is also suspected."

The Hilux had five occupants. The 17-year-old driver suffered a broken wrist.

Police were investigating the accident, but a decision about possible charges could be weeks away.

Alcohol is the main problem, more than anything else.


.... Also, Nissan Hilux?

[frost]

im sure it was the Nissan hilux's fault. it wanted to commit suicide because well.. it was a Nissan hilux.

[Truenotch]

Ha, yeah.


The S14 tried to go round a corner at 140+ k's, driver was drunk. The car got sideways then went straight, jumping the median before hitting the hilux and ending up in a concrete wall. The passenger who died had no seatbelt on and was thrown from the car... Pretty bad crash.

I still think that there are better ways to overcome the problem than crushing.

[matt dunn]

I still think that there are better ways to overcome the problem than crushing.

Bringing back the cane at school would be a good start.

Problems start way back there.

[cogent]

This guy knows the deal..
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/artic ... d=10577420

A furious Canterbury father has sold a car at a giveaway price, after it was used in larrikin fashion by boyracers.

Last month police investigated a driving incident in Christchurch, in which the car was reported speeding around a corner, almost on two wheels.

It was weaving all over the road, and a passenger in the rear had opened a door while it was moving, dragging his foot on the road, with half his body hanging out.

The occupants were all young males in their teens.

When the car registration details were followed up, the descriptions of those in the car did not fit the sons of the owner, Canterbury police said.

When confronted, the owner's sons would not own up to who had been using the car, so he sold the car cheap rather than continue to allow the boys access to it.

The man, who did not want to be named, said his sons' lives and others were more important than a car.

"He's done what few parents have done and taken away the avenue that could have led to disaster," Constable Caron Fletcher said.

"He has been commended and thanked for his attitude."

Superintendent Dave Cliff said it was rare for parents to be willing to make such a stand, at such a loss.

"We congratulate them. If more parents were to stand up and be counted in this way we would have far fewer of our young being needlessly killed and injured in road crashes."

- NZPA