shitty way to lose a young life,

[~SlideWays~]

I do wonder if part of the problem (not including being a dick in the wrong place) could be those horrible tyres that mag shops put on those cheapy 'drift wheel' combo deals.

I recently bought a turbo S14 200sx which is the NZ version with 20kw's less than the Japanese version. Even though it has an LSD and 225's on the back they are horrible horrible tyres in the wet (Vensus or something?). I drove it home in the rain the other day and it stepped out as soon as the turbo spooled at 2500rpm with about 30% throttle. Easy to handle but I'm getting new tyres before the girlfriend drives it in the wet.

I guess my point is that tyres really do make a huge difference in the wet.

Again, not making excuses for guy.

[tsoob]

I do wonder if part of the problem (not including being a dick in the wrong place) could be those horrible tyres that mag shops put on those cheapy 'drift wheel' combo deals.

I recently bought a turbo S14 200sx which is the NZ version with 20kw's less than the Japanese version. Even though it has an LSD and 225's on the back they are horrible horrible tyres in the wet (Vensus or something?). I drove it home in the rain the other day and it stepped out as soon as the turbo spooled at 2500rpm with about 30% throttle. Easy to handle but I'm getting new tyres before the girlfriend drives it in the wet.

I guess my point is that tyres really do make a huge difference in the wet.

Again, not making excuses for guy.

Hey i can't say for other shops, BUT if you have delt with me you will know that my first and foremost choice for tyres is always a preimum branded tyre. (toyo mostly)

Last week i sold a set of "drift wheels" we put toyo t1r on them.

Most of the time when its cheapest tyres its not the salesman, but more the customer and his tight arse attitiude. (no offence intended here)

[pjay]

Most of the time when its cheapest tyres its not the salesman, but more the customer and his tight ar*e attitiude. (no offence intended here)

This is true. I have 2x Tracmax my car, and boy did the guy try talk me out of them. They're just really cost effective and there were no Nexens available at the time, which is my usual "budget" tyre.

[~SlideWays~]

I do wonder if part of the problem (not including being a dick in the wrong place) could be those horrible tyres that mag shops put on those cheapy 'drift wheel' combo deals.

I recently bought a turbo S14 200sx which is the NZ version with 20kw's less than the Japanese version. Even though it has an LSD and 225's on the back they are horrible horrible tyres in the wet (Vensus or something?). I drove it home in the rain the other day and it stepped out as soon as the turbo spooled at 2500rpm with about 30% throttle. Easy to handle but I'm getting new tyres before the girlfriend drives it in the wet.

I guess my point is that tyres really do make a huge difference in the wet.

Again, not making excuses for guy.

Hey i can't say for other shops, BUT if you have delt with me you will know that my first and foremost choice for tyres is always a preimum branded tyre. (toyo mostly)

Last week i sold a set of "drift wheels" we put toyo t1r on them.

Most of the time when its cheapest tyres its not the salesman, but more the customer and his tight ar*e attitiude. (no offence intended here)

I just said 'drift wheels' because thats what most combo deals are these days because its a popular market. Nothing wrong with the wheels themselves its just that I've see some real crap tyres on nice wheels and it just seems stupid. Obviously a lot of the time as long as a tyre is low profile, round and black all some people care about is the look and price as low as possible without any thought to tyres that are made of old plastic spoons.

For example I drove on some 205 Tornado tyres that Mag and Turbo used to sell (maybe still do) and they were worse than a set of budget 185 Enduro's I had. Rubber so hard its not funny.

Good stuff that you're fitting good tyres

[MILFY]

deffinately a shitty way to loose a life and a child... I would not be as forgiving as the parents of this little boy if it was my little girl!

[Boosted_162]

I do wonder if part of the problem (not including being a dick in the wrong place) could be those horrible tyres that mag shops put on those cheapy 'drift wheel' combo deals.

I recently bought a turbo S14 200sx which is the NZ version with 20kw's less than the Japanese version. Even though it has an LSD and 225's on the back they are horrible horrible tyres in the wet (Vensus or something?). I drove it home in the rain the other day and it stepped out as soon as the turbo spooled at 2500rpm with about 30% throttle. Easy to handle but I'm getting new tyres before the girlfriend drives it in the wet.

I guess my point is that tyres really do make a huge difference in the wet.

Again, not making excuses for guy.

Hey i can't say for other shops, BUT if you have delt with me you will know that my first and foremost choice for tyres is always a preimum branded tyre. (toyo mostly)

Last week i sold a set of "drift wheels" we put toyo t1r on them.

Most of the time when its cheapest tyres its not the salesman, but more the customer and his tight ar*e attitiude. (no offence intended here)

And the price difference really isnt that great!

BTW i absolutely love my new T1Rs Nick! T1R -> Potenza

[Akane]

Suspension setup matters a lot too.

Just a few days ago I softened my rears by 2 clicks, before I was spinning out on every attempt to "do some skidz yo" and I was stumped on why, it was just a heap of crap to control. 2 clicks and it transformed it into a controllable machine, not spinning out at all and I feel that I can get it more sideways then the factory bilsteins, and I think there are plenty left in there to fine tune things.

If the kid's riding on some crappy king's springs and the like then it might contribute to the reason why he was fishtailing.

[S T E A L T H]

yep there's certainly a ton of cheap rubbish tyres out there. I've driven a 2003 Holden SV8 Ute (stock, auto, 5.7 LS) the other day on some cheap chinese tyres and it was/is without exaggeration the most lethal thing I've ever driven. In the wet it stepped out in a straight line, with 1/3 throttle, going straight thru a minor roundabout at 20km/h there was a twitch. a 17 year old with piss all experience and training would f%ck themselves (and someone else) up in 2 mins flat.

I've always though the NZ tyre industry needs to be better regulated with minimum standards brought in.

[S T E A L T H]

my mates brother has spec s silvia its manuel he reckons it would beat standard da tegs so not particular slow at all.it also doesnt have a lsd factory.

a dog with 3 legs can beat a standard DA teg.

the point is you can slide/drift/crash ANYTHING, if you really try (and most 17 year olds will). If theyre taught some basic car control skills (in real life, not by watching D1NZ videos) the chances of carnage will be substantially reduced

[eskimo]

my mates brother has spec s silvia its manuel he reckons it would beat standard da tegs so not particular slow at all.it also doesnt have a lsd factory.

a dog with 3 legs can beat a standard DA teg.

the point is you can slide/drift/crash ANYTHING, if you really try (and most 17 year olds will). If theyre taught some basic car control skills (in real life, not by watching D1NZ videos) the chances of carnage will be substantially reduced

True true. I think NZ needs to adopt the licencing system from Finland..the more you can teach a kid about car control / limits the better.

Granted there are going to always be the few that will still cause carnage no matter what

[Al]

True true. I think NZ needs to adopt the licencing system from Finland..the more you can teach a kid about car control / limits the better.

The three E's. Enforcement. Engineering and Education.

Enforcement doesn't work that well, because for as long as I've been driving the cops have become tougher and tougher and there is still plenty of muppets running stop signs, red lights as well as killing people.

The country can't/won't afford to engineer the roading better because of the huge burden we have called the welfare system.

Education is the only one remaining, like eskimo has said, teach people how to actually drive, not just to pass the test. However call me cynical but the flow on effect from making it tougher to drive is less revenue in the form of fuel tax, gst on fuel, registration costs and so on because the number of drivers would drop.

[crispy'86]

The government definitely needs to introduce a compulsory defensive driving and car control course for all licence holder after they get their restricteds.
Obviously the driver was pushing it way too hard, in the wet it's pretty plain if you make a slight mistake it gets magnified to a far worse condition of what the car will or won't do, did nayone see that small article on Campbell live lastnight? Was pretty much just stating that even at 30-40km/hr your car responds differently than it did in a 20km/hr situation. Whether it was avoiding a car or whatever. Defintely needs to be enforced that drivers need to be taught about how to control their car. One way is courses that can show you what your car does and how to control it. Or if you know a farmer and have a cheap crap car then ask to go into a paddock that is going to get ploughed or something and just learn all about it yourself

[sergei]

True true. I think NZ needs to adopt the licencing system from Finland..the more you can teach a kid about car control / limits the better.

The three E's. Enforcement. Engineering and Education.

Enforcement doesn't work that well, because for as long as I've been driving the cops have become tougher and tougher and there is still plenty of muppets running stop signs, red lights as well as killing people.

The country can't/won't afford to engineer the roading better because of the huge burden we have called the welfare system.

Education is the only one remaining, like eskimo has said, teach people how to actually drive, not just to pass the test. However call me cynical but the flow on effect from making it tougher to drive is less revenue in the form of fuel tax, gst on fuel, registration costs and so on because the number of drivers would drop.

Actually engineering become not important, when you know, people drive to the conditions.

[Bling]

^^ Exactly, even on a perfect road, people will crash, which has everything to do with the driver, not the road.

[tsoob]

this is really sad.

I really think that this guy needs to be made an example of.. he was a member of the "modified car scene" and he for lack of a better work $&#$% up.

If he gets a slap on the wrist then it won't discourage any more of these young guys from doing what he has just done.

As far as the cars or horsepower restrictions go,

This is a good idea, i see both sides of the arguement but however you look at it, less power = less chance of this kind of thing.

[B_giB]

Did anyone watch Campbell live last night? With Drive rushNZ?

I actually did Drive rush on sunday, We need something like that as part of our license test in New Zealand. It teaches alot about car controll.

http://www.driverush.co.nz

As far as I know, in Sweden, you cannot drive on the road untill you have done X amount of hours learning how to controll a car in the snow. I could be wrong, I am 95% sure its Sweden.

[Lith]

None of us can really comment given we weren't there, the cops would look at it with a critical eye and obviously have been at the scene and decided he wasn't being a munter so much as just not being sensible.

Fwiw I won't let just anyone drive my Skyline in the wet. It has good suspension (Bilsteins), I used Nankang NS2s on the street which while they aren't top of the line tyres aren't dodgy but in poor conditions it can be surprisingly slippery, off boost and surprisingly little throttle. It is completely conceiveable that it could do an unexpected sidestep, even when driving to conditions.

He would have had to have obviously have to have been driving a bit quick for conditions to carry enough momentum to lose it like that, but that doesn't cover hooning. It could well have just been particularly bad luck that it was a young male in an S15 as opposed to a young girl in a Primera, in terms of media coverage.

I know someone who was a passenger in a normal car driven by their 18 year old brother (not a car person at all) who only earlier this year lost it in similar conditions somewhere in Wellington completely unexpectedly when it hit paint. Luckily for him he didn't hit anything or anyone. Spins/slides happen in this weather WAY more often than is reported when people are essentially going from point A to point B, its just when there is a person at the other end of the slide where things get messy.

[cat007]

It's not a power issue You can lose control of anything with enough lack of attention. Which sounds like exactly what happened here with an influence of not driving to the conditions.

True, but with more power its MUCH easier to lose control on corners and in the wet etc

What about the weight of cars? I bet a 1000kg car would be easier to control and have a lesser chance of spinning out at the same speed than a, say, 1600kg Supra...

[Mr Revhead]

Way too many factors involved to say that....

[cat007]

Way too many factors involved to say that....

You mean, just like the 'it's all about hp' suggestion?