Millions of gt4s gt4s for me? Millions of gt4s, more than 3

[ST205 GT4 NZ New Group A]

Hey that green gt4 one is a nice car and dyno tuned too, Power FC

MTC

[Al]

cmon seriously? a supra vs a gt4? through corners? this is where the celica excells at is full grip, full stability, full power just drive around a corner as if it were a straight

Until the 4wd barge decides to understeer off the road.

[Akane]

cmon seriously? a supra vs a gt4? through corners? this is where the celica excells at is full grip, full stability, full power just drive around a corner as if it were a straight

Obviously you have not driven a relatively stock suspension / diff setup 4WD hard.

many moons ago when Lancer GSR's are all the rage, I drove my mate's GSR down to the gas station to pick up some drinks, out comes this vtax hoons down the road, I caught him easy on the straight, but around the corners when I tried to give it stick the understeerage is just unbelievable, it's there and then I've lost a lot of interest in 4WD powertrain unless some serious $$$ has been spent on setting up the suspension and the diffs.

[gt4dude]

im sure a car that couldnt go round corners wouldnt have 30 odd wrc wins and be the 1st japanese manufacturer to take the wrc title from the europeans. sure it doesnt compare at all to the current batch of evos and stis but a formidable machine of its time and is no boat even today.

i understand most people would prefer an evo, but still, it's all about the toyota pride and the trd lol

i love celica and i love toyota for this exact reason, it's the one everyone says it can't do this it cant do that and in the end proves not only just capable but exceeds the average by a long long way.

[Akane]

Toyota GT-Four '94 WRC: about a meeeleeeeeeeeeon dorras.
Xtrac gearbox, trick electronic diffs, $5k a corner ohlins suspensions with mad suspension travel, lightweight alcon / AP Racing 330mm+ brakes

Toyota GT-Four Road car: LOL!

I love Toyota and I love my MR2 too, it goes alright killed a few EVO's and STI's, goes faster around the corners in the wet than those fancy half-a-car race cars, and a lot of vtax but it ain't no NSX-R. Sometimes just gotta face the reality. Our cars are old the technology's old. I said I'll never sell my car unless it's broken beyond repair, when the FT-86 becomes affordable I think I'm just gonna go mad around the track, stack it part it out and get a real car.

[gt4dude]

cmon seriously? a supra vs a gt4? through corners? this is where the celica excells at is full grip, full stability, full power just drive around a corner as if it were a straight

Obviously you have not driven a relatively stock suspension / diff setup 4WD hard.

does my st205 count? it's not really understeer, it's 4-wheel drift

i used to get it on factory suspension, which i drove on for 55,000kms before getting coilovers.

right now ive got brand new superstrut arms, brand new coilovers, nolathane bushes in my engine mounts, toyo t1r 225/50zr16 tyres, factory sway bars f/r and factory strut bars f/r.

with the coilovers, the speeds i have to do to make traction give in (like it did on factory susp) is so much higher it scares me to go that fast so i haven't found those limits again.

but thats not understeer i dont call it that, because u can use that 4wd drift to drive around the corner,whereas fwd understeer the wheel will be pointed one way and ull go straight.

[Akane]

Oh well, maybe (your) the ST205 is just that magical then.

[gt4dude]

well no different to another coilover equipped st205 with decent tyres?

[Akane]

OK, this is what I think happens in a 4WD.

You turn into a corner, you hit the apex, then you give it hell, rear end gets the torque, pushes car forward, cool.

Now you get this weight shift going to the back, front becomes light, now your front tyres are also getting torque from the engine with the huge turbo boost, and it's doing the directional turning.

epic understeer ensures.

Maybe your coilovers has a stiff rear spring and a soft front spring, which improved traction to the front, or maybe the settings or ride height.

You've mentioned 4 wheel drift, that's like robbing the traction on the rear to make your car handle neutral. That's not improving the grip of your car.

It's like saying honda vtax FWD understeers, so they run crap tyres are the back, so you get understeer and oversteer happening > 4 wheel drift > ??? > epic handling?

[gt4dude]

Never been a fan of the MR2, I used to ride motorbikes. If I wanted a fast 2 seater that can't carry diddly squat then i'd choose the one where if I crash, i fly off with full leather gear and a crash helmet instead of get crumpled into a sardine tin with no frontal protection lol

that was the main reason i choose the celica i wanted a 2 liter toyota sports car to replace the out going kawasaki 250 ninja

[gt4dude]

well, on factory suspension under the instant spoolup of the ct20b it immediately induces oversteer of you punch it mid corner.

unfortunately ive spent most of my life on a ct26 t04e hybrid which is less than exciting, but ive got a disco potato getting put in right now.

now the way ive set my coilovers up is 10 clicks stiff in the front and 12 clicks stiff in the rear, 15mm spacers back there as the factory camber 3 degrees neg makes 225 tyres rub the springs back there

[Akane]

Never been a fan of the MR2, I used to ride motorbikes. If I wanted a fast 2 seater that can't carry diddly squat then i'd choose the one where if I crash, i fly off with full leather gear and a crash helmet instead of get crumpled into a sardine tin with no frontal protection lol

that was the main reason i choose the celica i wanted a 2 liter toyota sports car to replace the out going kawasaki 250 ninja

You can't be more mis-informed. Just because you have a big hunk of iron up the front, it doesn't mean it'll protect you.

What kills you is the sudden G-force being applied to your body, and that will be going from 100kph or whatever to a dead stop in 0.01 seconds, your internal organs will turn into mashed potatoes. Crumple zone is what you want, and the MR2's front has a lot of it.

You'll probably think a 1960's 2.5 tonne of American muscle will be better off than a 2009 Honda fit in a crash :/

[gt4dude]

it takes a really badly cambered road to make an st205 understeer even on factory suspension,

the only thing is when it does loose it (takes alot to but u can loose it) and when it regains traction its so snappy if you dont control it u'll shoot into wherever your car happens to be facing

[gt4dude]

This is the video I watched when choosing my 1st Toyota

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR1NJtX9r-c

[Akane]

LOL alright dude, good choice on buying that GT-Four.

[gt4dude]

Oh yeah the irony, Actually this GT4 is my 3rd Celica,

Here is my 1st Celica (Only 4 months after watching that video and buying a Celica instead of MR2)



60kph vs 80kph, head on with drunk driver who lost it around a corner and ended up in my lane

[levinguy]

the next smartphone thread...?

[iOnic]

The fact that this is even debatable is nuff said IMO

[Bling]

Never been a fan of the MR2, I used to ride motorbikes. If I wanted a fast 2 seater that can't carry diddly squat then i'd choose the one where if I crash, i fly off with full leather gear and a crash helmet instead of get crumpled into a sardine tin with no frontal protection lol

This made me laugh, but then I realised you must be just trolling. Anyone that thinks a bike gives them a better chance of survival than being in an MR2 HAS to be trollin'

[Mr Revhead]

Yeah.
Fwiw MR2s tend to do quite well in crashes.
They are also good at crashing