The Annual Toyspeed Bathurst Bitch, ah... I mean Thread

[THA SHZ]

nah just lay off the crack and ul be sweet

[Mr Revhead]

sorry, so used to looking at what happens and judging it with unbiased eyes.... comes from being a motorsport fan, and not a biased uneducated holden fan clone

but seriosuly, I'm gunna see if I can find it on youtube, approaching the corner bargs changes his line 2-3 times.

[fivebob]

You're looking at it through biased eyes Revhead. IMHO it's all Whincup's fault and he should have been penalised.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rliUaWZFBII

[Mr Revhead]

whincup moves outside, bargs covers outside, whincup switched inside, bargs moves again with quite a flick! can't see any contact... looks to me like bargs pinches the rear brakes. 1:15 shows whincup at the b pillar... bargs turns in more... 1:31 shows whincup up the inside well to the left and bargs moves over on him, that view also shows bargs having his little wobble with no contact from whincup...
so really looks to me as if bargs did it to himself

[Mr Revhead]

hmmm though there is possibly a little bump as whincup switches sides, real hard to tell. but bargs big wobble happens a second or two after that when whincup is moving up the inside.
racing incident really.

[Distrb]

You're looking at it through biased eyes Revhead. IMHO it's all Whincup's fault and he should have been penalised.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rliUaWZFBII

He pretty much was, considering he a couple of places when he got in that tangle.

Interesting how last year it was all but a couple of holdens in the top 10, then this year its reversed.

[fivebob]

hmmm though there is possibly a little bump as whincup switches sides, real hard to tell.

Whincup clipped Barg's rear quarter and unsettled him before going into the corner, and then centre punched him on the way out... that was really bad driving from a so called champion, must have learnt it from his team mate

racing incident really.

Only if you're a Ford fan

He wasn't even up to the "B" pillar when he hit him.

[Mr Revhead]

1:15...
whincup is there, and bargs locks the rear and starts to slide....
if bargs hadn't brokent the rules by moving twice he wouldnt have been there anyway

so what about tanders move on kelly then? surely that was far more dangerous....

[Adamal]

Yea, I was replaying from the 1:15 as well. Its hard to tell if he hits him or not. Very close. The only hit that I can definatly go "Yup, that was a hit" was the front bumpers after Bargs was already going off.
Given their difference in speed was very marginal at that point, and it was very close to tell visually from that angle if he actually hit him or not, I'd the force of an impact wouldn't be enough to push him out like that.

If you look back at 17 seconds, where Whincup goes from the outside to the inside, you can see Bargs jut the car to the inside line to block, and unsettles his ride. He then didn't really have enough track left to get it settled back in for the corner, and thats probably the main factor for his spin.

[THA SHZ]

im unbiased as , i only support the kiwis in motorsport
fact is he shouldnt have continued with it if he wasnt even up to the b pillar , he should have backed off and come at him again up the stright if he had more speed as you say

[Empr14]

Whincup was just at the b-pillar when Barg's tryed to turn into the corner. Bargwanna should have given him room and not blocked him twice. The fact that Jamie was having to almost go the grass indicates how much Bargwanna was trying to block him. There most likely was a touch on the rear from jamie as Bargwanna tryed to move across n block again but if bargwanna had used his head he wouldn't have tryed to cut him off and given him more room.

If ya wanna talk about dodgy moves does anyone remember the Kelly?Lowdnes Championship punt??

And Garths move was far more aggresive and borderline,I think if it had of been earlier in the race he would have been penalised.

[Loudtoy]

Doesn't everyone see what happened there, bargs thought he was nearing the end of rally aus and just gave it a little scandinavian flick, Whincup thought he was doing a rally cross where the odd rub is ok. Due to neiither of them thinking they were at bathurst near the end of the race both lost a few places to drivers who were still at bathurst.
Seriously tho bargs had his big moment after whincup was part way down the inside, and once your that far down there ain't really much in the way of getting out of it - plus i counted 4 blocks from him going up mountain straight the same lap, he would have been black flagged for sure next lap.

Ps where does the b pillar start on holdens, is it the same place as b pillars on other cars??

[2jayzgte]

I reckon it was a racing incident and nothing should come of it.I reckon Whincup wasn't far enough down the side or Bargs Holden to pull the move off but thats just my opinion.Bargs could'nt give him any room as he had already turned in and from there the rest is history.

[Dell'Orto]

I know I've had a fun couple of days winding up Ford supporters and I dont even follow the V8's

[Prymal]

im happy as long as skaife doesnt win ;')

brock was the king of the mountain , lowndes is the rightful heir to the throne ( otherwise he wouldnt have had the honour of driving peters xu1 torana )

[Mr Revhead]

I disagree
Jim Richards was the true King of the "mountain"

[THA SHZ]

do you agree on anything warwick or do you just love being mr negativity and enjoy disagreeing with everyone ? i bet you were head of your schools debating team

[Mr Revhead]

Well, I wasnt the head... But I was in it

[Adamal]

He wasn't even up to the "B" pillar when he hit him.

Actually, upon closer review, he was at the B pillar when Jason turned in on him. They were side by side up until that point.

There wasn't enough of an impact between the two cars to cause a spin. Bargs was just pushing it too hard trying to defend and screwed up his weight balance

[sergei]

do you agree on anything warwick or do you just love being mr negativity and enjoy disagreeing with everyone ? i bet you were head of your schools debating team

Hey I am suppose to be Mr Negativity here.