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Postby Looonie » Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:38 am

BZG|Bling wrote:Wish I had the coin to buy an old landcruiser and bullbar it up and just drive around town looking for people to catch out not giving way when they should. Would be endless entertainment. 4" box section bullbars should do the trick. I find people will give way more often if you're driving something with bullbars.


This, this and this x1000!

I've had this thought over and over again so many times.

Perhaps we should start up a Toyspud fund to build it? Have turns driving it week about ;)

Start up a iwi trust and register the vehicle to that so we can claim sovereignty and not needing to abide by the laws of wof/reg

Oh, wait... going a bit off topic there :)
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Postby tsoob » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:23 am

^^^^^ YUS!!!!

I guess the good news is that they are trying to make it better...

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Postby Mr Ree » Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:25 am

tsoob wrote:^^^^^ YUS!!!!

I guess the good news is that they are trying to make it better...

Running a country must be a c**t of a job.


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Postby 101dreamin » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:54 pm

I can safely say learners are F****Wits. I spent a few weeks driving an STI, and learned very quickly what happens when you push yourself too hard. Coming home from palmy, I got to the coastal highway (no idea what its called) and almost fell asleep. Then there were the countless times I crept over the limit without realising, relied too heavily on the awesome brakes, and just generally acted like a tosser.

I then went and bought a Demio. Its a 1.5, and frankly I can still cause some damage in it, but I'll kill far less people in this, than the STI.

Insurance isn't cheap, but not having it simply isn't an option for me.

Just an observation on kids, if you have to get your mum to fill in your form, chances are you should NOT be driving. Also, the kids who fail 3/4/28 times, go home, study, come back in a month. We actually refuse to let them do more than two tests in a day, limit it to one if they fail by more than two questions. You should NOT be able to fail the theory test. It is not a hard test.
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Postby Bling » Wed Aug 03, 2011 11:45 pm

Not all learners are dipshits when it comes to driving. What you describe is just a lack of sensibility. Doesn't matter what you're driving, falling asleep at the wheel has nothing to do with age. More chance for younger people to not be sensible, but I go on work safety courses and there are people in their 40s + that act like they are still 15.... worrying.
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Postby 101dreamin » Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:18 am

I'll freely admit it was a stupid mistake to have kept driving that night, and it certainly taught me a lot about my limits. I don't drive tired now.

I'm trying to not be a dipshit, but some of my habits are taking a bit longer to get out of than ideal. My gear changes are not 'boyracer' they are energy conserving :lol:

Some compulsory things to be covered in a test if there was ever to be a practical re-introduced.

Hill starts. I know for a fact most learners can't do hill starts to save themselves. Go find a small quiet street and practise until you can do it properly. Once you think you can do it, keep practising because you still can't do it.

Checking at intersections. For the love of god double check. if it means stopping at a give way and holding up traffic briefly so you don't flatten a person, do it. most people are fairly tolerant of a learner being over cautious at intersections.

Paying attention at crossings. Small children move fast, and are unpredictable. You will also feel somewhat guilty when you squish one through inattention.

One thing i speak from experience, needs to be drilled in to all new drivers heads. You will screw it up. Its not a matter of if, its a matter of when. The skills you are learning now, or in some cases bad habits, will set you up for your future. It is simply idiotic to assume you can drive because you now have a little piece of paper or plastic. My biggest mistake? I went from playing in a race car, to driving an over powered, modified vehicle thinking i was bullet proof. I made some very silly errors, that had they happened on busy roads, could have turned out a lot worse than they actually did. I'm not perfect, but I'm a lot more careful than i was.
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Postby 1I1 » Thu Aug 04, 2011 9:52 am

Hill starts are in your restricted test :wink:

as BZG|Bling a lot of people that have been driving for 20 odd years think they haven't had an acident because they are a good driver. Seems like those people are just lucky
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Postby h8wrxs » Thu Aug 04, 2011 11:56 am

i never had to do a hillstart in any of my tests...
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Postby solitaire » Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:04 pm

Do any accidents actual happen due to poor driving ability?

As far as i can tell 99% of accidents happen because people are not paying attention or not taking driving seriously.
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Postby Mr Ree » Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:10 pm

Everytime a flatpeaker crashes into a kerb with a car full of mates because he thought he was a mean drifter when he saw it on tv, then tried to emulate it, then failed. Happens every other day in NZ.

Thats not lazy driving, or inattention, its driving skills not being up to par with whats required to pull off the fully sik drift uleh, which for the record should have been practised on a track first lol.
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Postby solitaire » Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:15 pm

Mr Ree wrote:Thats not lazy driving, or inattention, its driving skills not being up to par with whats required to pull off the fully sik drift uleh, which for the record should have been practised on a track first lol.
For the record a public road is no place for drifting no matter how skilled anyone is :?
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Postby Mr Revhead » Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:18 pm

solitaire wrote:Do any accidents actual happen due to poor driving ability?

As far as i can tell 99% of accidents happen because people are not paying attention or not taking driving seriously.


I would class that under driving ability. Part of driving is concentration
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Postby Adamal » Thu Aug 04, 2011 1:10 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:
solitaire wrote:Do any accidents actual happen due to poor driving ability?

As far as i can tell 99% of accidents happen because people are not paying attention or not taking driving seriously.


I would class that under driving ability. Part of driving is concentration


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Postby stalker » Thu Aug 04, 2011 2:35 pm

Bah, this age thing means nothing! They need the laws like they have in England. Caught without a licence repeatedly, say hello to jail time. (as taken from Brit cops the other night...they didnt go into the ins and outs, so dont know the full story may have been more to it)

You just need to come to South Auckland and see it all here. No one cares about how old your are meant to be to get a licence, everyone just drives here regardless. If they get pulled over, they get a ticket, and on there way they go. Poor cops cant really do anything.

Case in point: We get at least one app for finance a day where either the 30y.o. doesnt have a licence at all, but has been driving for the past 10 years +.
Or we get the 50y.o. thats still on there learners, 15 years on!!
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Postby 1I1 » Thu Aug 04, 2011 4:54 pm

h8wrxs wrote:i never had to do a hillstart in any of my tests...


Thought that something you had to do in a restricted?

According to NZTA it's something you should have plenty of practice in before sitting your restricted

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The testing officer must be satisfied that you can drive safely and with due regard for other road users, without supervision. The test is designed to examine your driving skills in the areas of speed, control, search and manoeuvres. You can pass the test the first time around if you're well prepared.

Before you sit the test, make sure you get good instruction from someone who can give you experience in different traffic conditions and on different roads. They should choose suitable places for you to practice reversing, hill starts, three-point turns and parking.


Not like in my full test. Had to drive in the country which I knew about. Tester told me to pull over then take off pretending there was traffic. I was rather nervous at the time and wasn't sure what he expected (there was zero traffic about at the time).
Instructor failed to tell me this was part of the full test? Thankfully I passed due to doing well enough (just :lol: ) in the rest of the test
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Postby Luke - BZG » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:27 pm

My grandad has been driving all his life and has never had any license, lol.

(not saying its a good thing, just funny.)

He was asked for his license by a young n00b cop one day, grandad just said along the lines of "your asking ME for MY LICENSE!!!, BAH!" and drove off, cop didn't do anything.

If he didn't live in Masterton I don't think he'd get away with it.
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Postby Mr Ree » Thu Aug 04, 2011 5:45 pm

solitaire wrote:
Mr Ree wrote:Thats not lazy driving, or inattention, its driving skills not being up to par with whats required to pull off the fully sik drift uleh, which for the record should have been practised on a track first lol.
For the record a public road is no place for drifting no matter how skilled anyone is :?


I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I wasnt trying to imply the road is a place to drift, ever. The post was just poorly constructed and came out wrong lol

Cliff note: Dont drift on the street kids
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Postby solitaire » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:19 pm

Mr Ree wrote:
solitaire wrote:For the record a public road is no place for drifting no matter how skilled anyone is :?


I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I wasnt trying to imply the road is a place to drift, ever. The post was just poorly constructed and came out wrong lol

Cliff note: Dont drift on the street kids
Sorry - Im a bit sore about it as we have a few local kids who think the suburban streets are their own personal race track/rubbish bin so i probably read the worst possible version of that :oops:
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Postby Zitchu » Thu Aug 04, 2011 6:41 pm

+1 for didn't have to do a hill start on either restricted or full.
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Postby solitaire » Thu Aug 04, 2011 7:07 pm

I did a hill start and 3 point turn, I spent ages practising reversing backwards round a corner too :evil:

Only thing i got pulled up on was not checking my blindspots when changing lanes, which I have done religiously ever since.
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