Beams 3sge vs Sr20det vs 3tgte

[4agtepwr]

Sweetaz do what ya gotta do fella

[RS13]

Anyone remember that green TE71 liftback here in Chch a few years back? Pretty sure he ran a fully forged, nos'd up 3TGTE with big turbo, but still struggled with reliability and making it fast.. then sold it to a chap who dropped in a factory SR20 with chinese turbo, more fuel, ecu etc, started running 11s, think it cracked a 10 as well.

Moral of the story, 3TGTEs are old, heavy motors, 1980s technology.. I don't know why you'd bother.

[4agtepwr]

That would be the one im talking about yeah the best it ever went with the 3t in it was 13.5, never had a chinese turbo though only a good turbonetics one.
Hamish still owns the car although the big angry sr is now in his silvia and the Te71 now has a standard s14 na sr20 in it. Took it for a drive last week and was heaps of fun to drive even with the standard motor, Think its ganna become a club car/track hack

[RS13]

That would be the one im talking about yeah the best it ever went with the 3t in it was 13.5, never had a chinese turbo though only a good turbonetics one.
Hamish still owns the car although the big angry sr is now in his silvia and the Te71 now has a standard s14 na sr20 in it. Took it for a drive last week and was heaps of fun to drive even with the standard motor, Think its ganna become a club car/track hack

Mint, yeah that was the one! 13.5 was pretty poor for the effort Kris went to.. but that was right wasn't it, SR20 had factory internals, just fuel and boost? The youtube video of it seems to have disappeared!

[Babz]

It doesnt make sense. How are the guys all over the world running reliable and powerful 3T motors, not 3tgte but the pushrod motor. And here in NZ and Aussie we are saying they are crap. Can someone with first hand experience with a properly forged 3t motor tell me something. Theres got be one person who knows someone who knows someone.

My meter was highly towards the SR20det but i do not like cross breeding and toyota do not make cost effective rwd turbo 4 cylinder motors.

[Mr Revhead]

Money

[Babz]

But everything in my list is all you can really do to the motor. Maybe add bigger valves and double springs. Randy has a daily driver with pistons , rods, billet main caps, arp bolts and is making around 500hp. he drives this back and forth every day. Can they really be that shit. This guys makes a living of these motors.

[4agtepwr]

Define reliable mate, there a full blown drag motors that are grout filled running on alcohol and need stupid boost to make moderate power. And id say they get torn down pretty often,

[RS13]

It doesnt make sense. How are the guys all over the world running reliable and powerful 3T motors, not 3tgte but the pushrod motor. And here in NZ and Aussie we are saying they are crap. Can someone with first hand experience with a properly forged 3t motor tell me something. Theres got be one person who knows someone who knows someone.

My meter was highly towards the SR20det but i do not like cross breeding and toyota do not make cost effective rwd turbo 4 cylinder motors.

I highly doubt you'll find anyone here has turbo'd a pushrod 3T. We just don't need to.. those guys over in Puerto Rico etc are just doing the best with what they've got, if you spend enough money on anything you could make huge power with it.

Man, at the end of the day its' your money, if you want to turbo a 3T then turbo a 3T. Just be prepared to be smoked by guys running setups twice as new at half the cost.

[fangsport]

Babz, the 3t suffers the same fate as the Rotor on these forums.

"i heard they were unreliable, so they're sh!t"

"don't use a T series, they run bottom ends"

"don't they toss rods out??"

i would hazard a guess that jack all people know anything more about them than having a rattly camchain at 300,000km in a TT130/140 . i ain't no guru with them, but over half the cars i have owned have had one in them, and by god ive tried to kill them, to the point of over clearancing (couldn't be f@#ked running it in) with serious compression as a sprint motor for one event....did a few seasons . current engine suffering camshaft wear, sump full of metal, drained oil and let it be used for a D1NZ raping in '06, overheated seriously, revved flat out , motor still in the hole.
here's a lighter raping it got : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAx8BgbqcfY

i reckon go for it. i also reckon do some homework, do one on the cheap, and see how the naysayers react if it can be done.

where abouts are you?? i have heaps of parts down here to sacrifice!!!!

[RS13]

Thats' just it. You come here for opinions, you get opinions.

Just dooo eeeeet.

[Babz]

Hey fangsport. I am in Auckland. Thats what i was thinking. Whats the worst that can happen. I loose $3500 because i aint happy with the results and chuck in a SR20det. My 3t motor is pretty good at the moment. What i could do with is a W series gearbox with 3t housing and flywheel and clutch. Would you have any if these and be interested in selling?

[Babz]

hey fangsport if you have any intakes , exhaust manifold, or anything that can help when i turbo it ,let me know. Drop me a txt and i will call you. 0276661657. Thanks man

[wde_bdy]

If you want decent power, go custom intake and exhaust. The 3T-GTE exhaust manifold fits but then you need to run an adaptor for a decent turbo so might as well start fresh, inlet manifolds also don't swap. For the bellhousing they pop up occasionally (have a spare, not for sale), if you get stuck a 1G bellhousing also fits but puts the clutch master on passengers side near the turbo.

Callum

[al_feinted]

Ive done a few drift days in my 3tgte rona and it takes a thrashing all day without missing a beat, it is completely standard so its not exactly a powerhouse.

I have given some thought to an engine conversion like 4a, 3s,3rz but it will probably never happen since i told myself id wait until blow up the 3t!! (the thing doesnt get driven nowadays)

The reason they use 3T,s so much in the states is probably due to the fact most of their corollas came with them and any late model performance jap engine is gonna be big $$$.

I read a thread on 3TC forum about using a 4Y crank in a 3T to get 2200cc then it was said its just as easy to use a T head on a 4Y block. It got me thinking, but not sure how accurate it is... apparently T and Y sump gaskets are the same???

YT140 corona bits could make the 4Y block bolt in. just another option to make things more difficult

[Babz]

So Basically last night i asked Randy to tell me how reliable these motors are and this is what he said. For a guys who can get his hands on easily a 4age,2jzgte,3sgte,sr20det etc he seems pretty happy with the 3T motor.

My car has 587 HP at the wheels, been running the same engine for 4 years, SCCa , Nascar mini stock, LMS tour lites all won by 3tc engines. It is the most dependable 4 cyle engine in the world ..

[TRD Man]

I read a thread on 3TC forum about using a 4Y crank in a 3T to get 2200cc then it was said its just as easy to use a T head on a 4Y block. It got me thinking, but not sure how accurate it is... apparently T and Y sump gaskets are the same???

We've looked into this here and will be mucking around around with it over the summer.
Both methods are fraught with some problems to overcome but from a simplicity angle we favour using the 4Y crank in the 3T block.
Problem is I don't think the 4Y crank is that strong and whilst our use is n/a I wouldn't contemplate using it in a turbo application.

I agree with your comments re: availability of performance engines in and around the states being the reason they tend to modify old crap like a 3T.

It is the most dependable 4 cyle engine in the world ..

I think Randy needs to get out more!

[shihad]

Can someone with first hand experience with a properly forged 3t motor tell me something. Theres got be one person who knows someone who knows someone.

i know someone i will talk to him tonight see if i can organise i phone call for you or something also if you get parts from fangsport i got a flatemate heading to auckland from dunedin in a week or so he could possibly (will Have to ask) take some parts up for ya text me 0274609597 if your interested.

[Babz]

Why mess around with 4Y when custom length cranks are availabel off the shelf. I think 3T it is. See how we go. Will post up when build starts

[Babz]

Hi Shihad, that be awesome. Il drop you a txt. Thanks