Toyspeed Teams Kart Series ** 4th Round Tuesday 19th Aug **

[slydesigns]

your aware of how far ahead he was right?

[slydesigns]

It's indoor go-karts, not formula 1.

In which case, with a little discussion from everyone, it should be easy to change the rule if its agreed its needed.

[Snoozin]

your aware of how far ahead he was right?

That's because he is the fastest consistent driver

Also... half price racing for us teams that have fronted at every round next month

[Lith]

To be fair I'm not too worried. I agree that the pit change times were a bit generous especially when if anything he should be handicapped by a team mate not showing up, however on the flipside I'm not convinced that it would have changed the outcome anyway. He is unquestionably the fastest out of all of us, and realistically unless he was really handicapped he probably would have won anyway. All it changed was that instead of a few inches, it was a few miles - and we all know what Vin said.

[Loudtoy]

The pitstop for one driver I thought was to even things up and hinder the single driver team to encourage the fact its a 2 driver teams event.

Currently it makes no sense for 2 drivers to compete, its an automatic lose against the single.

You were fast, but were you 3 seconds faster then the rest of us? No. yet you'd need to be to be as many laps up as you were. Lastnight was a race for second. First was a given.

The comment where sam stated no change to the 5second rule for the next round makes little sense if this is a reasonably fair and fun comp. Most teams had a comment to makee on the 5sec rule, we all heard the mutterings, not just from me, Clint and Loudtoy.

Other rules were adjusted as and when needed pretty quickly by you all, whats the problem with this one?

Its a Teams event, if your a no show you deserve to be handicapped to acknowledge those that DID show as a team, no matter the reason for the no show. You should all have enough friends out there who would b keen for a blat to find a replacement for the race, I'm guessing you didn't bother Tristan. There was a Mag and Turbo driver there you could have and should have used if you couldn't find anyone else. 2 guys racing as singles in a 2 man teams race is... yeah.

I'm not the only who feels this way, but I may just be the only one who says so. So be it.

If your serious about not changing this rule I'm out for the final. Its a waste of $25 to do laps pissed off with other drivers who are also pissed off. Defeats the purpose of the get together in the first place.

I'm right there with you on that, all other things aside when you have a one person team who doesn't have to struggle with getting out/in and getting seatbelt off/on you have an advantage there for the start, not to mention that the cart will have it's tyres warm to your driving style/weight and the fact you don't have to settle down into your work again would help alot. Don't thnk that the point raised about the exhaustion is really all that relevant - i'm pretty sure that if i had to do the whole race single i would be running fairly consistant lap times throughout the race with the quickest being in the middle - latter section of the race.
Agree with sly that rule should be amended fo last race in regards to single driver stops - going on our average stops for the round it should be at least 10 seconds, and probably our average would be fairly indicitive of most others because as we all know there is generally one stop that you completely screw and takes about 15 seconds.
Bring back the out of the cart feet on the ground and back in like it was the 1st 2 rounds - worked quite well and was a fair stop against those that were 2 driver teams and from memory worked out to about a 10 second average and if you could do it faster well done you deserve it but if not oh well bad luck where was your team mate.
Will still be there for the last race cos it's cheap but yeah not sure if i'd bother if it wasn't the last - having a broken cart in 3 of the races so far hasn't helped the cause either.
Still have to give credit to the organisers for doing it though otherwise i'd have nothing to complain about

[Loudtoy]

and we all know what Vin said.

You know you still owe me a ten second car right???
Hows that relevent

[Sideros]

2 Laps ahead of the team in second place. Going on lap being 19 seconds...
That's 2 laps x 19 = 38 seconds, 38 seconds divided by 100 laps in the race = .38 of a second faster each lap, Not 3 seconds or what ever you claim it was Simon.

I had a huge handicap in that I had to race 100 laps without stopping to catch my breath or anything, It’s not as easy as you might presume Jimmy. I was actually a little nervous before hand as I was worried I might not be able to hold out for that long by myself. I’m NOT trying to sound arrogant so please don’t take it that way, however I have a point on my driving ability – I started in second to last place. I was in first place within 7 laps or so.

The reason behind not changing it for the last round was simply because it was as 5 seconds last race and it was fine – people should have commented straight after that race, not the night of the new race.
It's only because I won that there is a problem. If any of the other teams had come first and had one driver none of you would care. I guarantee it. However due to the points raised I don’t see why we shouldn’t change the rules. This is after all an event for everyone to have fun in and enjoy – so if people aren’t enjoying it then changes do need to be made.

There is a notice on the website that reads:

“Important Notice To All Teams - 26/5/2008

After running the first race, we have noticed two things that need to be looked into.
We will be discussing changing details of single driver pits & discussing the pit-window.
Solutions to these problems will be posted as soon as they are reached.
If you would like to comment please email us. Thank you.”

We didn’t have a SINGLE comment or piece of input from anyone in regard to this. Useless from everyone involved if I might say so. If you’re going to cry then you should have input first before being a little child (And raising a point I made earlier, suggesting a change on the night isn’t the appropriate time. It should be raised within the 4 weeks leading up too it. 4 weeks… that’s… why that’s 28 days! That’s a long time to think things through and suggest new ideas!)

As for getting a replacement driver for your team, this has never been a pre-requisite before. Team Fail has run with one driver twice now they were never expected to get another team mate. Not to mention a team is a team, not some random person joining in the team halfway through. Perhaps in the next round it might be a good idea for in the rules to have specified backup drivers for each team?

//Queue retorts//

[Sideros]

and we all know what Vin said.

You know you still owe me a ten second car right???
Hows that relevent

It don't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winnings winning... I'm sure you knew that anyway and were just joking round

[Sideros]

Also... half price racing for us teams that have fronted at every round next month

Yup, if you've paid for all 4 races then you get the 5th for half price!

[NILPSI]

I dont want this becoming a big arguement session, everybody that had an opinion on the night has now vented it.

Therefore i will be locking this thread until a decision has been made about what we are going to do for the final round

Thanks

[NILPSI]

Ok this is the final ruling, and there is to be NO correspondence entered into.

The concerns brought to my attention by Simon and Jimmy are regarding single driver pit changes, the first round we ran with the idea of getting out of the kart standing up and getting back in. In this first event Round the Outside showed up everybody with extremely fast changes by having one person getting into the kart as one was getting out, this lead to mid 4 sec changes (this is now a method that has been adapted by many teams that are all doing this kind of speed CONSISTENTLY). As we can all see by the results on the website after the first round this was a HUGE dis-advantage for the team with only one driver with Team R32 finishing 10 laps off the pace.

After this we changed to the 5 second rule, for the next 2 rounds we had a single man team in the form of Team Brent who abided by this new rule, as you can see he finished in 4th then 3rd, his lap times aren’t far off everybody else’s and he was a very consistent driver for both rounds, so this is the time that we decided would be appropriate for the remainder of the series.

After last round I have decided that to keep people happy I will raise the time from 5 seconds to 10 seconds for single man teams, however due to the fact we have now run 3 rounds with these rules (and as previously stated nobody has come forward with having an issue with the 5 second rule till now) there will be no deductions to points for any team who had previously raced under the old rule and obtained points.

Im sorry if this upsets people, this is my first go at organising something like this, there were always going to be glitches and mabee these things are something that the organiser of the next series can take into account when they are planning it, I have had fun doing this, its been very rewarding for me knowing that people have enjoyed taking part in it. It is just unfortunate that once again it had become all about the politics!

Hopefully will see everybody at the last round on the 16th September!

[NILPSI]

Also while speaking about the final round the following people are entitled to a half price race as they have competed in all 4 rounds to date:

Tristan (Sideros)
Clint (TRDGT4)
Simon (Slydesigns)
Jimmy (Loudtoy)
Markku (Truenotch)
Brett (DeviousMR2)
Andrew (The_Sorrow)
Richard (Snoozin)
Dan (Lith)

Cheers guys for the fact you have all been there to compete, without the commitment it would have been much harder to keep the good deals coming from Daytona Management!

[Lith]

Yay half price ftw

There's always something which isn't perfect, but thats all part of it - at the end of the day the point of the exercise to me is to go booting around in a gokart with a bunch of mates each month and you fellas efforts have made that a possibility. There has to be ups and downs with excitement, otherwise we may as well just not race and set up a vote as to who is most deserving to come 1st, 2nd 3rd etc. Thanks alot for your efforts in organising this series and keeping it going for the last few months!

Anyone who has tried organised getting a group together to do something like this will know it is a pain in the arse trying to find a date/time that suits - so having this happen 6 times in a row with a decent group of people, who are not a bunch of people who end up parked in the tyres all the time etc is a real bonus, let alone all the other effort which has gone into it. If anyone doesn't show up because of a debate over how long they reckon a lone driver should be required to wait to be doing a driver change, then I guess I am going to have to work out how to deal with the shock discovery that the motivation for coming for the last few months hasn't been in fact to hang out and bump tyres with us handsome gentlemen.

Thus kicks off the final countdown, at least 50% Rad Squad is amping for some more hot rubber shenanigans.

[Dell'Orto]

Well said.

[Snoozin]

...more hot rubber shenanigans.

It's go karting, not a fetish ball

Keen for halfprice fetish ba.... err, go karting.

[Loudtoy]

Everyone geared up for tonight then - any chance we can have a cart that doesn't break tonight

[Snoozin]

What? Tonight?
$&#$%.

[DeviousMR2]

Everyone geared up for tonight then - any chance we can have a cart that doesn't break tonight

hell yea, and no sorry you cant have a non breaking kart

[NILPSI]

Hey guys

Tonight went well, heaps of good driving and one of the best efforts ive seen this season, rather a pity its all come to an end...

Big ups to all teams that attended, photos and a video that we have compiled using footage from all of the rounds will hopefully be up soon for everybody to have a look/laugh at!

The final results will be up shortly-ish

[Truenotch]

Get john down to the carpark next Wednesday for a projector premier?