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Postby Spannergal » Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:49 am

paul chinery wrote:some facts
Hydrogen WILL run in an engine, trust me ive done it.
Making the hydrogen form water is eazy, just supplying the power to do it isnt.
Hydorgon has an octane rating of 125+. At a compression of 30 to 1 it wont self ignite, like diesel. Petrol will.
Once igniton has started, the engine needes to rotate faster than 700rpm, or detonation starts.
This is on the gas alone.
Personal research has found this information, and ive got more but it would be boring, so i will stop with the facts and say something that is proven to work.

Water as a liquid, yea the stuff you drink, can be used as an octane booster/replacement as an intercooler.
Basic principal is water is injected into the manifold cooling the charge entering the cylinder. The colder the charge, more air/fuel, more bang, more go. simple. To get the most out of this benifit is an increase in compression ratio.
This 'water injection' is proven on the race track as a nessesaty to support 40-50psi manifold pressure in 2 litre engines. they use to get 900+Hp out of it. they raced in the us in the 70s.This works with the existing gasoline engine.


this just confirms that it can't be run in a petrol engine - if it needs a compression of 30 to 1, then you definitely need stronger internals than a petrol engine - same reason that diesel can't be run in a petrol engine (needs compression of like 22 to 1)
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Postby Adamal » Thu Oct 14, 2004 9:53 am

What he's saying is that when the compression gets up to 30:1, it still won't detonate. Whereas with petrol, if you're using 91 in an engine thats got a compression ratio of say 11.7:1, it will detonate.

Don't get me wrong, I'm still finding that a hard load to swallow! .... Not that I swallow loads, but you get what I mean :P
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Postby Logan » Thu Oct 14, 2004 10:42 am

Pertrol engines can be made to run on hyrdogen, a doctorate was done at university of canterbury, where and 12A rota was converted to run on hydrogen.
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Postby Akane » Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:57 am

While Wildcard and gt4mike can tell you over and over again how Aquamist is the best thing since sliced bread, it cannot replace the intercooler.

Used in WW2, yes, used around a race track, yes, replacement for intercooler, NO.

Just remember, if it was so good, they'll install it from factory, and 1000hp tuners in Japan will use it.
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Postby offensive » Fri Oct 15, 2004 2:34 am

some people come across as complete assholes on here dont they.

Anyways i remember back in school being told about some bloke way back in the 60's i think it was making water powered cars with electrolysis (i think thats the word for it)

ended up being brought out by oil companies, and supposidly they guy dissapeared afterwards.

the car was supposed to have alot of batteries and when u turned the car on u had to wait a lil while before u could drive off, i assume to get some gas made.
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Postby Dr-X » Fri Oct 15, 2004 8:14 am

offensive wrote:some people come across as complete assholes on here dont they.

Anyways i remember back in school being told about some bloke way back in the 60's i think it was making water powered cars with electrolysis (i think thats the word for it)

ended up being brought out by oil companies, and supposidly they guy dissapeared afterwards.

the car was supposed to have alot of batteries and when u turned the car on u had to wait a lil while before u could drive off, i assume to get some gas made.


As I've already stated, cars cannot produce their own hydrogen, becasue the power produced by the car wouldnt cover the power consumed by the electrolosys process. And electrolosys is a slow process, too.

If cars ever will run on hydrogen, it will be from hydrogen cells, no self producing from water.
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Postby pc » Fri Oct 15, 2004 12:05 pm

My understanding of water injection is that it provides cooling, as it sucks heat out of things when it turns to steam, and it also increases compression (when it turns to steam). I haven't done any research on this though.
And yeah. You can't have a hydrogen powered car that converts the water to hydrogen in the car. You would have to load the hydrogen into the car beforehand. Rumors of people creating cars that run on water and being bought out/snuffed by oil companies are plentiful and bollocks.
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Postby Mr Revhead » Fri Oct 15, 2004 1:31 pm

water injection can be good, but its generally used as an easy fix for other problems.... if everything is done correctly you wont need water injection.
but in some cases its a lot cheaper!

i think it was in a book by A. Graham Bell where i read a good article on water injection.

and back on topic, yes the internal combustion engine can run on hydrogen (itll run on just about any thing that can be compressed and burnt!) but as also stated above with current technology it takes more power produced by the engine to convert the hydrogen from water.
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