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by **skiddemon** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:40 pm

Is it possible to supercharge a standard 4age? anyone done it ?

by **Adamal** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:06 pm

Not sure if the MAP sensor and ECU would like that.

Oh, or the pistons.

by **crnkin** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:23 pm

why supercharge anything

OMG so shiny! · by **Dell'Orto** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:28 pm

Yes, it is possible. Whether or not it would last long is an entirely different story. You'd need more fuel as a bare minimum to get it going safely.

by **Adamal** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:41 pm

crnkin wrote:why supercharge anything

Dude, don't start.

I'll sum up the arguement that would ensue:

"It depends on your application and where you're going to be driving blah blah blah"

End of story, have a nice day.

Anyone else got some other contributing comments to this thread?

by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:49 pm

yes it is
my aw11 has redtop big port from an ae92 with the aw11 4agze manifolds and ecu etc.

biggest problem is there being no knock sensor hole in the block

by **matt dunn** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:59 pm

In my opinion it is possible,
but due to compression ratio on a smallport, it would be very marginal
on that type.

Matt

by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:02 pm

^ good point

by **gdsup** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:32 am

my supercharged redtop with skimmed head

ran sweet, no or little det

ran very fast for ages, what killed the motor was the big ends got mashed through oil starvation

Click here to see "My Black Hole" · by **Stealer Of Souls** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:45 am

I was about to say that Tim had done it...

What boost did you run? What changes did you have to make to get it to run good?

by **suberimakuri** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:20 pm

not sc but turbo na redtop exp..

I ran 1 bar t3/4 turbo pushing over 150kw at wheels on my redtop 4age. Ran for ages, did couple d1nz rounds.... megasquirt ecu....

Then the motor was pulled and put as is (minus turbo) into Keith's 86 and he's done 1.5 years on it now, including all the d1nz and other drift days.

can't run much advance... even 20 deg at full boost in parts is too much.

need bp ultimate.

BLAH BLAH BLAH COMPRESSION TO HIGH>>>> BLAH BLAH BLAH.

by **crnkin** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:34 pm

Karl_Skewes wrote:not sc but turbo na redtop exp..

I ran 1 bar t3/4 turbo pushing over 150kw at wheels on my redtop 4age. Ran for ages, did couple d1nz rounds.... megasquirt ecu....

Then the motor was pulled and put as is (minus turbo) into Keith's 86 and he's done 1.5 years on it now, including all the d1nz and other drift days.

can't run much advance... even 20 deg at full boost in parts is too much.

need bp ultimate.

BLAH BLAH BLAH COMPRESSION TO HIGH>>>> BLAH BLAH BLAH.

blah blah....

anyways, skewes, do you have any idea why the redtop made less peak power than matts bluetop? or was it just the fact the comp was so high it had a limit in power, but was more torquey??? explain

by **suberimakuri** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:40 pm

exhaust, intercooler, head....... many factors possible.

I didn't get it on the dyno, but it was faster than my 150kw setup and used more fuel. hence conservative guess at 160kW.... it could have been more but I doubt it was 170kW.

Have a look through dyno graphs again between matt's different setups.

by **gdsup** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:20 pm

Stealer Of Souls wrote:I was about to say that Tim had done it...

What boost did you run? What changes did you have to make to get it to run good?

just usual something like 10 odd psi, i always gave it mega timing as its the only way to get power out of s/c setup on factory ecu, like 13 odd degrees in diag btdc

by **skiddemon** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 9:19 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:yes it is
my aw11 has redtop big port from an ae92 with the aw11 4agze manifolds and ecu etc.

biggest problem is there being no knock sensor hole in the block

I have the last generation of the redtop (1991) with the stronger block etc,same as yours unless im wrong? and according to stats and info the engine would already have a knock sensor hole?. my engines done 100000ks so u see why i feel i should do something to it haha

by **Mr Revhead** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:47 pm

mines the early redtop, no knock sensor hole like yours should have

karl, are you talking bigport or small port redtop?

by **suberimakuri** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:42 pm

i had bigport head (with rwd manifold) on smallport 10.3:1 comp block.

i call the "bigport redtop" a "redtop tvis"...... it's a pretty flat boring crappy motor if you ask me. either go blue, ze, or smallport.

Click here to see "My Black Hole" · by **Stealer Of Souls** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 9:32 am

Tim/Karl: What ecu's did you guys use? Can you use a smallport or bluetop ecu to get the engine running? I'm thinking about a smallport turbo and/or sc setup also.

by **gdsup** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:10 am

i used a standard 4agze ecu, you can use the N/A ecu but by time you mess around with extra injectors and FCD you may as well jump on the megasquirt bandwagon, the www.diyautotune.com kits look nice for the cost

by **NA Drifter** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:10 am

Karl_Skewes wrote:not sc but turbo na redtop exp..

I ran 1 bar t3/4 turbo pushing over 150kw at wheels on my redtop 4age. Ran for ages, did couple d1nz rounds.... megasquirt ecu....

Then the motor was pulled and put as is (minus turbo) into Keith's 86 and he's done 1.5 years on it now, including all the d1nz and other drift days.

can't run much advance... even 20 deg at full boost in parts is too much.

need bp ultimate.

BLAH BLAH BLAH COMPRESSION TO HIGH>>>> BLAH BLAH BLAH.

The motor still going strong Karl!.. but it always good to have a spare one sitting around....

got dyno not long after the motor when in my 86 and got ~86kw @ wheel (same as Torque Performance dyno) N/A

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