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Postby barryogen » Thu May 03, 2007 10:21 am

I have a plan to turbo my car(Corolla with 1.8L 2zzge), so when my clutch needs doing in ~3-4 months, I intend to replace it with a rather uprated one.

The problem is that I 2/5ths of nothing about clutches, other than brass button ones seem to be nasty for road use...

I was thinking that this one would be the sort of thing I should go for.
http://monkeywrenchracing.com/rps_max_street_clutch_toyota_1_8l_1998_.html

something that should support above what I need it for(~300-350HP), but still be "streetable".
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Postby ~SlideWays~ » Thu May 03, 2007 10:29 am

A place here in wgtn called MPA modifies the pressure plate and uses the standard friction plate with really good results.

I've had 2 4agze ones done. Went from 1200lbs clamp to 1800lbs, one of which I've had trouble free street and club use for about 3 yrs 8)

Maybe there are places down there that can do the same thing?
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Postby big_boy » Thu May 03, 2007 10:35 am

if you want to have a test with a stage 3 button clutch at some point i still have my we corolla here with one in it just to give you the sort of feal you will get i dident find them to bad after about the first day

corolla was 2800lb pressure plate with 4 puk spring centre disk
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Postby Quint » Thu May 03, 2007 11:19 am

Using a 4puk sprung clutch. Its not too bad, takes a little getting used to, get stuck on hills in the wet, and can't do reverse hill starts without smoke, but makes the entire driveline feel very tight.
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Postby flygt4 » Thu May 03, 2007 1:44 pm

dont get too put off puk clutches by what people say. most just need to harden up :wink:

i put a 4puk solid centre in my car, with the standard pressure plate upgraded to ~1750lb (standard was 1300). its actually perfectly streetable , and i wouldnt have too many worries driving it to the shops for milk. it has standard takeup and pedal feel, but bites a heck of a lot more and feels really tight.
once you realise that it just requires a little more care on hillstarts, and be sure not to slip it etc its pretty easy to manage. i found the best way was to blip the throttle and let it out quickly. takes a little bit of trial and error to get the right rpm but once you get it its easy.
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Postby Mr Revhead » Thu May 03, 2007 5:42 pm

bollox

in traffic a clutch you cant ride a bit sux
so while a puck maybe fine for the weekend warrior it SUX for a daily
hence why i hated drivng the aw in peak traffic


how about a nice TRD flywheel and clutch :D
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Postby Dell'Orto » Thu May 03, 2007 8:08 pm

big_boy wrote:corolla was 2800lb pressure plate with 4 puk spring centre disk


2800lbs??? In a FWD?
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Postby chch34 » Thu May 03, 2007 8:20 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:
how about a nice TRD flywheel and clutch :D


How do they drive? I got one coming for my car...
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Postby flygt4 » Thu May 03, 2007 8:48 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:bollox

in traffic a clutch you cant ride a bit sux
so while a puck maybe fine for the weekend warrior it SUX for a daily
hence why i hated drivng the aw in peak traffic


how about a nice TRD flywheel and clutch :D


just have 4 cars and then you always have another that you can drive :wink:
its just a case of understanding what you're dealing with. if you want a clutch that will survive a decent thrashing and handle any real power/torque then there arent many options which will remain streetable
apparently there is some sort of organic type which uses a better friction material and is able to be slipped but still grip when required.

in some cars the factory items are pretty bloody good anyway, ie 4agze clutch will take over 200kw for a while and give you a decent break between changes. somehow i doubt the 2zz would be as good tho.
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Postby Dell'Orto » Thu May 03, 2007 9:10 pm

A kevlar plate would be a reasonable option for a street car, but they're still not good with big clutch dumps.
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Postby big_boy » Thu May 03, 2007 11:23 pm

Mmm, Boost wrote:
big_boy wrote:
corolla was 2800lb pressure plate with 4 puk spring centre disk


2800lbs??? In a FWD?


yep all 1300cc of it too

yes i was young & stupid & it sounded like a good idear to get the biggest 1 i could

i then ended up changeing master cyclenders for a smaller boar diameter one to give me more travle & less pedal pressure
The faster you go the quicker you get there

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Postby Mr Revhead » Fri May 04, 2007 9:42 am

chch34 wrote:
Mr Revhead wrote:
how about a nice TRD flywheel and clutch :D


How do they drive? I got one coming for my car...



good.... depends a bit on which you have... paddle or full? what car?
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Postby chch34 » Fri May 04, 2007 7:02 pm

Ill have to see when it gets here. a ke70 corolla with beams 3s in it.
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Postby Caveman » Fri May 04, 2007 7:59 pm

lol people who say button clutches are hard to drive need to harden the $&#$% up

If you want to handle 350HP with a single plate then your wasting your time unless you go ceramic and heavy pressure plate. 4 puk are fine, they just done have the cushion between the friction material which gives a standard clutch its 'slip'. So they tend to either be engauged fully or not at all.

Also I would highly recommend sprung center plate. I cant 100% explain the dynamics behind it but on a street car there is absolutely no point running solid center clutch plate.

Sports Tuff by exedy have what you'll want. They explain all the pros and negatives clearly too.
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Postby barryogen » Mon May 07, 2007 1:54 pm

so basically, the link I posted http://monkeywrenchracing.com/rps_max_street_clutch_toyota_1_8l_1998_.html should be fine, seeing as it is/has a pressure plate 60% stiffer than stock, and a sprung organic disc.
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