ST205 ABS

[NZVengeance]

are the brakes on an st205 the same whether they are abs or not?
what i meaning is, is it just an adapter that fits onto the normal brakes or are the ABS brakes completely different

[evil_si]

the abs has a sensor in the back of the hub, there is a toothed wheel that the sensor follows,
the hubs will be different im not sure about the rest.

[Trls250s]

Diameter for discs, and caliper size and strength are no different.

ABS is just a system added ontop of the original so u dont slid up the rear of someone and other such things (like braking on gravel)

[RunningRich]

ABS also has extensive wiring, ECU, relay boxes and a G force sensor in front of the gearstick. It was an advanced system for its day.

The actual brakes are identical, apart from the sensor build into the hub and half-shaft.

And if I guess where you are heading you cannot retrofit ABS to a ST205, I doubt they were prewired?

[NZVengeance]

yea it seems like to much bloody effort. ill just learn to brake better without abs

[sergei]

I can confirm that rotors/pads/calipers/hubs are identical, even non-ABS CVs have toothed gear.
How I know? I have ABS model my mate has got non-ABS and we compared cars on the hoist.

But the master cylinder is different and the loom is missing whole bunch of stuff.

[NZVengeance]

yea. at the end of the day with training and lots of practice @ no-abs braking i think you can stop almost as quick if not as quick as abs.

[Infinite]

i took the abs off >_< and why would u want abs if your going track? it kicked in way to early on my curren...

[DaVe0r]

my st205 has abs

tried braking realllly hard..cant say i can feel the abs working..but man it stops fast

[Lloyd]

Try harder, if you cant get the ABS to kick in then something isn't quite right with your brakes

[rolla_fxgt]

my st205 has abs

tried braking realllly hard..cant say i can feel the abs working..but man it stops fast

Yeah thats not good, go find a straight quiet road somewhere & get up to like 40k & then jump on the brakes, if they don't lock then i'd assume the abs is working. Perhaps your just used to it & dont notice the pumping. If your worried about it get someone to have a look at it

[RedMist]

my st205 has abs

tried braking realllly hard..cant say i can feel the abs working..but man it stops fast

Probably the best thing the ST205 does... is stop.

[BlakJak]

yea. at the end of the day with training and lots of practice @ no-abs braking i think you can stop almost as quick if not as quick as abs.

Thats fine up until the point panic takes over from training. When you _really_ need to stop in a hurry it takes a very well trained man not to just smack the brake hard (and if you can pulse your brakes as fast as ABS to prevent lockup, you're doing bloodyo well..)

My ST195 has ABS (first car ive driven extensively with it) and I hear (and feel) it firing more often than you'd expect... usually when weight comes off the front wheels under braking (like driving in parking buildings).

In the wet I find ABS is a godsend, not that i'm regularly locking up - but it has saved my butt at least once or twice when coming to a stop in heavy traffic.

[RunningRich]

Agree fully. Wet rainy Friday afternoon heading home along the motorway, tired and distracted. Someone suddenly brakes hard for no reason in front. You can't tell me you can stop quicker without ABS in that situation. Maybe when prepared, but then accidents don't happen when you are prepared.

The ST205 system is very good. The ST165 system on the USDM ST165 was the worst braking car with ABS they ever had when tested by Road and Track (?) in 1988.

[NZVengeance]

no i was referring to a normal situation. but i don't want to spend $1500 at the moment to get the ABS from somewhere like endless toyota spares.

if i could pick it up for under 800 dollars i would get ti and do the hard yards to install it. as im sure the ECU is the same if if the loom isnt there. or mabey it is?

[BlakJak]

Hafta admit i've never heard of someone retrofitting ABS.
Would either buy a car with it OEM or live without it....