Cert! how to get one

[h8wrxs]

I don't see the point of coilovers in a purely road going car over a good shock/spring combo.

Though you don't get street cred if you don't have coilovers...

i never wanted adjustable coilovers purely for that reason, BUT they were about 800 cheaper than the best quote i could get for my evo so it was a no brainer

[1I1]

Similar for me when I was looking to change from compressed springs and stock shocks to something a bit better.

$1100 for Koni inserts (short stroke, self adjusting)
$300-$500 for Tein or TRD springs

Or $1,150 for BC Golds + $450 for cert. Which I had done after changing to S/S calipers as well.

[Dell'Orto]

My math says shock/spring was cheaper or the same cost?

[1I1]

Yeah but cert was going to be needed for calliper change (well to keep it legit)

[Akane]

Please

it's "Height adjustable suspension"

Not "coilovers" or "adjusties"

[Bling]

I'm sure the BC golds are sweet, but how can they make full coilovers for the same cost as GOOD shocks alone? Just doesn't add up for me. I'm sure they were amazing compared to old factory shocks and compressed springs though!

[Dell'Orto]

Please

it's "Height adjustable suspension"

Not "coilovers" or "adjusties"

They are a coil over shock platform adjustable strut

[1I1]

I'm sure the BC golds are sweet, but how can they make full coilovers for the same cost as GOOD shocks alone? Just doesn't add up for me. I'm sure they were amazing compared to old factory shocks and compressed springs though!

I guess they are able to make alot of parts universal IE spring perches, springs etc.

And yes, much better (though bumper yet not harsh) as they don't hit bump stops like the old setup use to do.

Sounds like a disaster!

Yup it's going to require every vehicle that's currently running coilovers to have standard type spring and struts refitted then they would have to be recerted!

[touge_ae101]

I'm sure the BC golds are sweet, but how can they make full coilovers for the same cost as GOOD shocks alone? Just doesn't add up for me. I'm sure they were amazing compared to old factory shocks and compressed springs though!

selling a coil and a shock together would actually bring the price down as you can say certainly that you need to make X # of shocks and X # of springs and we will sell them together.

plus sold as a package you cut out all the in between costs that each of the importing agents have for the springs and shocks seperately. and with TIEN and Koni, a lot of the price is for the brand. they are still good quality parts though thats for sure!

[Mike228]

Part of the wider problem (in my opinion) is the make up of the groups that form the LVVTA, there is no real representation for those (such as ourselves) driving modified Japanese cars mostly on the street.

Restricting the use of coilovers would be particularly dumb, as the problem is spring rates on the suspension units themselves. It is being overly restrictive (nanny state if you will?) and not properly addressing the cause of the problem.

As a group we must do better at advocating for decent legislation surrounding car modification.

[touge_ae101]

this is going to open a whole can of worms but it would be a lot of effort (and money) to put the systems in place so that coilover setups in cars can be tested to make sure they are safe for road use. and from the LVVTA's point of view, it is easier to ban them all together. i just don't see that they are going to care what a bunch 'boyracers' (as they see all of us) think that already try to get away with every loop hole in their system and cause them headaches.

....and GO

[tsoob]

Part of the wider problem (in my opinion) is the make up of the groups that form the LVVTA, there is no real representation for those (such as ourselves) driving modified Japanese cars mostly on the street.

Restricting the use of coilovers would be particularly dumb, as the problem is spring rates on the suspension units themselves. It is being overly restrictive (nanny state if you will?) and not properly addressing the cause of the problem.

As a group we must do better at advocating for decent legislation surrounding car modification.

This is where guys like John brett are taking a stand my friend..
He and and a few of the other certifiers are working to make some changes to this system.

And as he said to me the other day nothing will change to the current system for some time, and there are NO PLANS to make coilovers illegal

[wde_bdy]

this is going to open a whole can of worms but it would be a lot of effort (and money) to put the systems in place so that coilover setups in cars can be tested to make sure they are safe for road use.

They are already tested as safe, a quick road test will soon tell you if a car is too stiff. As long as the certifier is doing his job then you can't get super hard springs legal anyway. I would almost guarantee the cars with problems fall into one of the following -
No cert
Previously driven with no springs so body already weakened
Swapped springs after cert
Certifier didn't do his job properly

Callum

[touge_ae101]

that test is quite subjective though. as you said it doesn't take into account the original stiffness of the chassis etc.

[Malcolm]

I'm sure the BC golds are sweet, but how can they make full coilovers for the same cost as GOOD shocks alone? Just doesn't add up for me. I'm sure they were amazing compared to old factory shocks and compressed springs though!

Easy, you just remove the "good" and replace with "generic, with valving and damper curves that are in no way specific to the application for which they will be used". Considering 90% or more people buying adjustable-platform coil-over-damper suspension components think that a good damper = stiff, and 99% wouldn't know what a damper curve was, there is no need at all to actually pay attention to developing good damping characteristics (which is where all the expensive, high accuracy machining and assembly costs come in, not to mention the requisite R&D to develop the products).

[Leon]

From what a senior tech at work was saying (as he had been to a WOF meeting or update course); the use of coilovers on roadcars was going to be looked at. With the intention of making them illegal..... Maybe Leon is floating about and can comment? The tech's away on holiday so I can't check with him.

I will believe it when I see it ... [pigs flying]

Motorsport won't want the reponsibility of a modification done to tens of thousands of road cars to suddenly fall into it's lap.

Additionally the cost (of returning adjustable suspension cars currently legal back to non adjustable height) to many many many people who vote will make it not a politically popular decision for a govt who is attempting to do no changes to legislation Additionally it's nothing to do with "loud cars", so the old age pensioners won't see changing the rules on how to get modified suspension done as being something that will make them vote National.

[tsoob]

Don't fret ladys sounds like the toyspeed rumor mill is in overdrive here

[1I1]

Some good points

Exactly, the amount of cars that would be effected would be massive.

Haha Nick, guess so on this one... Well for now

@Malcolm - It's probably a case of hit and miss too. Some people will get them and they will be ok-ish valving. Others will find they are too stiff/maybe too soft (if that's possible?!)