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Legality of adding new holes to alloys?

Postby Grrrrrrr! » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:36 pm

Anybody know what the legality of adding holes for a different bolt pattern on a set of alloys is? have a set of 17s that have 4x100 stud pattern and also have 4 pilot holes (~6mm) for what i assume is 4 x 114.3. However, i pick up a Lancia later this week, and its a 4x98 bolt pattern. So, can i legally get my co-worker to make me some new holes so i can throw these 17s on the Lancia, or should I just live with the standard wheels?

There is plenty of metal in the wheel, so i have no concerns about the structural integrity of the wheel, just whether the 5-0 and the insurance company are going to be a problem.
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Postby wde_bdy » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:38 pm

Mod a wheel and you have to get it certed for that particular vehicle. That is the technical requirement, you may well get away with it but your risk.

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Postby Grrrrrrr! » Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:53 pm

I think the appropriate reply to that is <bleeeeep> :(
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Postby Boosted_162 » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:28 pm

I think its appropriate to give more details on the Lancia :lol:

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Postby Grrrrrrr! » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:58 pm

Unfortunately its only a Thema, not an Delta HF or Integrale. Still, 2 ltrs of boosted Italian performance in something that Joe Average wouldn't look twice at could be fun.

Nice and cheap, so if it ends up being a typical italian vehicle (more moody that a redhead with PMS) I can just flick it off for nothing.

Hmm, i just found a pic of a Thema with wheels that look very similar to the ones i was thinking of putting on it.. and I think its not a good combo
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Maybe an inch or two of lowering might help..

Oh well, there goes the idea of a cheap beater while I save for something better.
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Postby h8wrxs » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:32 am

i think thatd look good if lowered...

probably wouldnt drill out the wheels to make them fit though

i have heard of it being done with no issues, most cops/warrant inspectors wouldnt notice they're not original holes if they're done properly
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Postby Grrrrrrr! » Tue Apr 26, 2011 12:51 am

Yeah, i could definitely get away with doing it, between a bit of metal filled epoxy and a new coat of paint you'd have to look really close to notice they'd been "adjusted". I'm just not sure i like the look of newer wheels on an older car. My Lancia is a darker grey and the wheels are currently be prepped for repaint anyway.. they could go black... hmmmmm...
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Postby d1 mule » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:38 am

what about getting hub adaptor spacers made from 4x98 to 4x114 or whatever your wheels are, will cost you a couple hundred buckas but will be lagal and ake the car look better.

therre are guys on trade me who make spacers to any dimentions you like
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Postby wde_bdy » Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:43 am

d1 mule wrote:what about getting hub adaptor spacers made from 4x98 to 4x114 or whatever your wheels are, will cost you a couple hundred buckas but will be lagal and ake the car look better.

therre are guys on trade me who make spacers to any dimentions you like


Still won't be legal without cert and also pushes your wheel out further which might cause other problems. Easier and cheaper just to get wheels that fit.

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Re: Legality of adding new holes to alloys?

Postby tsoob » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:25 pm

Grrrrrrr! wrote:Anybody know what the legality of adding holes for a different bolt pattern on a set of alloys is? have a set of 17s that have 4x100 stud pattern and also have 4 pilot holes (~6mm) for what i assume is 4 x 114.3. However, i pick up a Lancia later this week, and its a 4x98 bolt pattern. So, can i legally get my co-worker to make me some new holes so i can throw these 17s on the Lancia, or should I just live with the standard wheels?

There is plenty of metal in the wheel, so i have no concerns about the structural integrity of the wheel, just whether the 5-0 and the insurance company are going to be a problem.


you could get those 4x100 holes slotted (you'd need to send it to me) would cost around slotted $110 +gst or slotted with inserts ($150+gst )
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Postby h8wrxs » Tue Apr 26, 2011 1:44 pm

what do you mean slotted?
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Postby Quint » Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:36 pm

Make a circular hole, non-circular.
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Postby Boosted_162 » Tue Apr 26, 2011 5:50 pm

Grrrrrrr! wrote:Unfortunately its only a Thema, not an Delta HF or Integrale. Still, 2 ltrs of boosted Italian performance in something that Joe Average wouldn't look twice at could be fun.


Thema's are cool!! Just a shame it isnt a 8.32, but the 2 litre turbo ones are still cool! But finding one of them would be pretty much impossible! Does yours have the electronic wing?
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Postby Grrrrrrr! » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:18 pm

I don't remember seeing a wing on it, but haven't looked at it for a while. Pick it up this friday all going to plan.
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Re: Legality of adding new holes to alloys?

Postby Grrrrrrr! » Tue Apr 26, 2011 6:22 pm

tsoob wrote:
Grrrrrrr! wrote:Anybody know what the legality of adding holes for a different bolt pattern on a set of alloys is? have a set of 17s that have 4x100 stud pattern and also have 4 pilot holes (~6mm) for what i assume is 4 x 114.3. However, i pick up a Lancia later this week, and its a 4x98 bolt pattern. So, can i legally get my co-worker to make me some new holes so i can throw these 17s on the Lancia, or should I just live with the standard wheels?

There is plenty of metal in the wheel, so i have no concerns about the structural integrity of the wheel, just whether the 5-0 and the insurance company are going to be a problem.


you could get those 4x100 holes slotted (you'd need to send it to me) would cost around slotted $110 +gst or slotted with inserts ($150+gst )


Cheers for the offer, but that doesn't make them any more legal, and I work with a bunch of guys (toolmakers, fitter & turners etc.) that have mills and rotary tables so I'm thinking more along the box of beers price tag ;)

At this stage i 'm going to fit them up in photoshop and decide whether to bother.
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Postby h8wrxs » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:31 am

Quint wrote:Make a circular hole, non-circular.


how is that a good option?
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Postby loudstealthGT-Four » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:55 am

h8wrxs wrote:
Quint wrote:Make a circular hole, non-circular.


how is that a good option?


because in most cases the wheel nuts dont support the wheel, they just hold the wheel on the hub.

wikipedia wrote:The centerbore of a wheel is the size of the hole in the back of the wheel that centers it over the mounting hub of the car. Some factory wheels have a centerbore that matches exactly with the hub to reduce vibration by keeping the wheel centered. Wheels with the correct centerbore to the car they will be mounted on are known as hubcentric. Hubcentric wheels take the stress off the lug nuts, reducing the job of the lug nuts to center the wheel to the car. Wheels that are not hubcentric are known as lugcentric, as the job of centering is done by the lug nuts assuming they are properly torqued down.
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Postby soopachargen » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:15 am

wobble bolts and hubcentric rings should get the job done,

do lancia's have wheel bolts or wheel nuts?
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