caldena rear lsd ??

[vvega]

do caldena's have rear lsd's and if so what are they torsen or plate
i only ask as i saw this on trademe that coiuld be of interest to our caldena nutters

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 318136.htm

[fivebob]

Caldina rear ends are indeed LSD, but I don't know what type they are. Though this auction seems to imply that they are clutch pack.

One thing though is that the manual and auto models are different and require the stubs to suit the model from which they came, and thus probably have different splines. I don't know which one the quoted 41301-48020 part # is from as the online EPC no longer works.

[NZ_AE86]

That is not a clutch pack LSD. Look close and you can see the gears inside it.

But I don't konw what Caldina rear ends have?

[vvega]

just looking though the hole in the side that almost has a helical trademark
interesting though i was under the impression that they were open :S


with the auto and manuel been different do you think that perhaps one of them could be in fact open ??
or even maybe a viscous rathier than a torsen ??

v

[fivebob]

That is not a clutch pack LSD. Look close and you can see the gears inside it.

But I don't konw what Caldina rear ends have?

That's just the spider gears, doesn't mean it couldn't have a clutch pack as well

Here is a pic of a TRD LSD to show what I mean

[fivebob]

just looking though the hole in the side that almost has a helical trademark
interesting though i was under the impression that they were open :S

I think that's just the spider gears you're looking at, see attached parts diagram. As to whether or not it's a clutch pack diff, as the diagram doesn't show any clutch plates as parts I would think in unlikely.

with the auto and manuel been different do you think that perhaps one of them could be in fact open ??
or even maybe a viscous rathier than a torsen ??

No, both are LSD, I can't say why they are different though.

[vvega]

That is not a clutch pack LSD. Look close and you can see the gears inside it.

But I don't konw what Caldina rear ends have?

That's just the spider gears, doesn't mean it couldn't have a clutch pack as well

Here is a pic of a TRD LSD to show what I mean

this side is a helical.....................................................this side is a clutch

for those that didnt know

just somrthing i wanted to knwo fivebob

v

[NZ_AE86]

That is not a clutch pack LSD. Look close and you can see the gears inside it.

But I don't konw what Caldina rear ends have?

That's just the spider gears, doesn't mean it couldn't have a clutch pack as well

Here is a pic of a TRD LSD to show what I mean

I am quite aware that an LSD will still have spider gears! But if you look at the pic on trademe the gear you can see through the hole looks like a helical cut gear which spider gears are not.

[fivebob]

I am quite aware that an LSD will still have spider gears! But if you look at the pic on trademe the gear you can see through the hole looks like a helical cut gear which spider gears are not.

But look at the parts diagram, what you see in the pic are spider gears, well at least that's where the spider gears should be if it's a Caldina LSD. The Caldina diff isn't helical(Torsen), as the worm/helical gears in a Torsen style diff replace the spider gears. Much more likely is that it's a viscous coupling.

[sergei]

Speaking of diffs, what type is the rear diff out of a ST165 (pre-facelift)
and a ST205 (wich I have now in my 165)? I thought that Caldina should have ST205 diff at the back...

[vvega]

265 is open
185 is torsen as is 205

[NZ_AE86]

I am quite aware that an LSD will still have spider gears! But if you look at the pic on trademe the gear you can see through the hole looks like a helical cut gear which spider gears are not.

But look at the parts diagram, what you see in the pic are spider gears, well at least that's where the spider gears should be if it's a Caldina LSD. The Caldina diff isn't helical(Torsen), as the worm/helical gears in a Torsen style diff replace the spider gears. Much more likely is that it's a viscous coupling.

Yes But we are not talking about your diagram! We are looking a diff on trade me and that is the diff I am refering to. I can see clearly on your diagram that there are spider gears there!

[vvega]

it also dosent show any clutch plates
it also dosent have a second lock ring for a vicous setup
so imo of epc interpretation that is a open diff


though in saying that they also have a habbit of useing generised pictures and when it comes tim to look up the parts you discover that they are not what they look like

just to add more confusion
v

[Mr Revhead]

that part number is listed for the stated vehicles from about 98 onwards, and the st246 caldina, not the 215.

the pic shown above from the EPC does look like an open one to me.
you cant always tell a viscous from a helical on the EPC, but my guess is its a helical type. viscous diffs are sealed units afaik.
if any one is looking at that pic on the epc, hit the "next" button, and youll get some like this:

[fivebob]

Thanks for clearing that up Warwick. According to Toyotas webpage the diff is Torsen.

It also appears that the diagram I posted is probably for an open diff seems that the ST215W autos were indeed an open diff, only the manuals were LSD. Strange as the auto car I dissambled appeared to have a LSD and apart from the mag wheels had no modifications. Must go back and check to see if it really is LSD or is stuffed from the side impact it received in the crash

BTW only ST246 GTFOUR-N models are LSD, mental note to self, only buy an N model

[vvega]

great stuff guys

good info for all resulting

v

[TWSTD]

Im pretty sure my ST215W manual is an open diff as well - I can very easily get one rear wheel spinning when going up my car park ramp daily...

I also seem to recall the old TRD part no's for the ST215W rear LSD and the ST205 rear LSD were the same no's.

[Santa'sBoostinSleigh]

when i was looking around to buy my caldina, i noticed that all the auto ones had VSC on the back windows, but the manual ones dont.
VSC is the viscus dif isnt it?

[TWSTD]

no. Vehicle Stability Control.

[Mr Revhead]

yep, manuals have LSD, autos traction control and VSC