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by **Dragger_Dan** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:33 am

Can somebody tell me how much power a 20v can put out in standard form. Anybody got a dyno printout for this? There is a lot of debate about how much they actually put out, I would like to hear some facts on this.

by **Monster_Magnet** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 9:36 am

Ok so what I have heard from a Silver top 20V they make 165hp claimed and black top is 170hp claimed.

According to the first post in the forum re toyota engine stats

by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 10:50 am

a more accurate figure would be around 135-140 at the fly for a silver, and 145ish for the BT
silvertops seems to average 95-110 at the wheels.
blacktops high 115 low 120ish.

by **Punter** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:18 pm

Surely your being a bit mean

Ive seen a stock standard blue top with 160,000k on it dyno at 74fwkw

your saying thats more than some 20v's

by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:40 pm

well it all depends on the dyno.....
iv seen a better than average silvertop run 69hp atw on a dyno.....

by **bad20v** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:44 pm

There was a ae101 w/silvertop at the last AutoSalon in Auckland that put out a whopping 65kw @ the wheels!!!

by **Distrb** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:54 pm

On a hub dyno i've seen (and had) Silvertops putting out 78 - 92kw & Blacktops putting out 92 - 101kw

by **AceSniper** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:00 pm

seen most facelift silvertops do around the 89kw atw mark

by **Dragger_Dan** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:01 pm

Cheers. So what does a stock bluetop _actually_ put out at the wheels?

Just considering some fun over teh holidays :twisted:

by **Monster_Magnet** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:03 pm

Will see what my levin makes it has stage one cams, ignition, intake,exhasut.
goin on the dyno this week wednesday hopefully. Hub dyno not rolling road so we shall see what a mild tweaking of a silver top duz.

Going for as close to 100kw at wheels don't think it will be this time round some day.

by **sergei** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:33 am

The 20v are the most overrated, underpowered engines, mine pulled a hefty 67KW (running 14 to 1 ratio, because of suck ass SAFC)... And the bad thing is that they fitted them in a whale.

I owed one for 5 years.

Went to dyno a few times, with different mods. Same output as allways. 67Kw.

Website · by **Bling** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:30 am

maybe you just had a dud one, theres blacktops around with 100kw atw, so i guess its luck of the draw

Details of car here · by **AE85coupe** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:56 am

its kinda funny cause most stock bluetops get around 80kw at the wheels

if you don't belive me here is a link
bluetop with nice headers and a 2inch exhaust, no air filter and no other mods

http://www.garagedori.com/tech/dynos/4a ... A_1024.jpg

kinda shows why 20v = gay

(waits for abuse)

by **Mr Revhead** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:00 am

ppl who dont rate 20vs = gay

by **bad20v** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:03 am

Mr Revhead wrote:ppl who dont rate 20vs = [person of homosexual orientation]

Yeah, there's a name for it: 'Valve Envy'. :lol:

Details of car here · by **AE85coupe** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:05 am

hahaha theres that abuse i was expecting hahaha

you 20v guys bite so easily

by **bad20v** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:07 am

AE85coupe wrote:hahaha theres that abuse i was expecting hahaha

you 20v guys bite so easily

'bite' 'bite' 'bite' :lol:

by **Lanius** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:04 pm

Nothing wrong with 20 valve 4AGEs. They're awesome for what they are. They were never designed as a high performance engine, thats what 3SGTEs, 1J's and 2J's were for.

They're a high revving engine that is a good compromise between power and economy. Someone a couple of posts back pointed out the old power-to-weight argument, and they were spot on. If AE101s and AE111s weighed a bit less, they would be a heck of a lot quicker. A 20 valve 4AGE in a light weight car is brilliant, especially with some minor mods.

They'll never be in the same class as 3SGTEs or RB26DETTs, 22Bs, as they're a 1.6 litre NA engine (unless of course you work at Speedtech :wink:

).

by **Mr Revhead** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 12:54 pm

They were never designed as a high performance engine

oh id say they were..... just in a smaller class. still high performance 1600

by **RedMist** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:47 pm

The Bunderson put out 123 and 125hp at the wheels with silvertops 132hp with a blacktop and.... 167 hp with my bluetop 16 valve.

All had Link LEM computer, KnN and aftermarket exhaust. The 16 valve had just a little bit more help.

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