Sc14 ? or turbo which is better (from Brisbane)

[jdm 102]

G'day fellas,

I posted here a while back when I got myself a Levin20v and over time I sorta realized that I really want a 4agze powered levin , so after a couple of months I finally sourced an Ae101 superstrut gze levin with under 100,000kms (or supposedly) and I'm just contemplating on which way to go in the engine department. I like the Sc12 as it is, I've recently had a major service done and for some reason I just feel the car has slowed down in the low end torque range not too sure, whether its to do with timing being out or knock sensor or if its running less boost :, but will find that out soon.

My main question , is the SC14 worth the hassle or is turbo a better option? I've been told Sc14 is alot of custom work and fiddling around with fitting it in as it has issues with the firewall or something?

Really wouldn't mind 120ish ~ 150kw @tw .. also one of the main reasons I wanted a 4agze so its just a matter of deciding which way, rather than getting custom pistons and so on (as I would have for the 20v)

Cheers!!



Can you believe only 4 of these here ? (in Brisbane)



my mate bought my 20v , here we are at the transport office.

[Mr Revhead]

sc14 would be less work than a turbo
all depends on you goal
i think for your laws over there, and a daily driven car a sc14 would be a better option.

[Crucible]

My main question , is the SC14 worth the hassle or is turbo a better option? I've been told Sc14 is alot of custom work and fiddling around with fitting it in as it has issues with the firewall or something?

Ive always wondered what an SC14 setup would be like, heaps of boost off idle would be a bit of fun. Would get the most out of the setup if you were to use an aftermarket e.c.u and w2a also but depends on you're budget and aim of course

Ask on any forum and people will just say "go turbo" , but be a little differant, an SC14 would be nuts and far less common

[IH8TEC]

sc14 would be less work than a turbo

i'm going to dissagree with you there warrick, barry has been putting a sc14 on an 4agze in the workshop, and it's not as easy as people make it out to be. in saying that, i think it would be cheaper, expecially if you kept the top mount.

people say turbo is easier, cause there is so much more info out there about it. but i agree, sc14 would be pretty cool, especially you you made it with ribbed belt

[Mr Revhead]

well, i looked into it for my aw11, if based purely on fitment, id go for the sc14 easy! its certainly not a simple bolt on job, but theres a lot less to do than a turbo.
FMIC is just stupid for s/c

[~SlideWays~]

well, i looked into it for my aw11, if based purely on fitment, id go for the sc14 easy! its certainly not a simple bolt on job, but theres a lot less to do than a turbo.
FMIC is just stupid for s/c

Only if you have the standard throttle body setup is it a bit arse. Other wise its great since the s/c's produce sooo much heat

[Mr Revhead]

the intake length becomes stupidly long....... youd be better off with a stock intercooler than fmic
w2a ftw!!!

[2LTR Rona]

PM me your email address & I can email you a word doc with the step by steps for modifying & Fitting an SC14 supercharger to AW11gze, will give you a good ideal of whats involved.

[~SlideWays~]

the intake length becomes stupidly long....... youd be better off with a stock intercooler than fmic
w2a ftw!!!

lol yeah... mine is pretty long but didn't have option for top mount plus they are pretty small. Its not the initial lag/throttle response that is the problem, its when pulling off the throttle that it is delayed because of all of the compressed air in the piping AFTER the throttle being sucked into the engine.

Could be solved with a 2nd throttle body after the piping or redesign it so the s/c blows into a throttle body which is after the intercooler etc instead.

[Leon]

I suspect also Rev might be thinking about MR2 fitments, while you are thinking of front engine fitments ... maybe.

edited:

[~SlideWays~]

I suspect also Rev might be thinking about MR2 fitments, while you are thinking of front drive fitments ... maybe.

Nup, FR fitment in my case but theory of throttle body placement is for any 4agze.

jedi mind trick *Leon must do ABV modification on his mr2*

[Mr Revhead]

lol fmic in an aw11!! hehehe nah i was thinking fwd, still waaay to long.


leon has a list a mile long he needs to do!!!

[~SlideWays~]

lol fmic in an aw11!! hehehe nah i was thinking fwd, still waaay to long.


leon has a list a mile long he needs to do!!!

lol like that turbo aw11 on trademe with a evo/vr4 intercooler on the roof!!

[Leon]

leon has a list a mile long he needs to do!!!

Get me TRD shock prices bitch! Also talk to your shock rebuild people.

[vvega]

leon has a list a mile long he needs to do!!!

Get me TRD shock prices...Im Rick james bitch! Also talk to your shock rebuild people.

add for dramicial affect

[Crampy]

I'd say go for the turbo.
You'd get 150kw at the wheels on the stock injectors and wouldn't need to push higher than the 15psi boost cut for that power level.
Use a TDO5H or something similar and go from there, nice intercooler etc...

[Zak]

lol fmic in an aw11!! hehehe nah i was thinking fwd, still waaay to long.


leon has a list a mile long he needs to do!!!

lol like that turbo aw11 on trademe with a evo/vr4 intercooler on the roof!!

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 294328.htm

I know the guy that owns that, it's a custom core, but looks very evoish in those pictures. It's the same setup that one of the ford rally cars used with pretty good success. It still needs the ducting put on for it to work properly though.

The car is very tidy. Needs some more paint, but is some how rust free

It doesn't need much to get it going either, and it's pretty cheap for what you get.

[jdm 102]

Thinking of the turbo way, coz labour here is just a killer

and not many mechanics are up for installing an Sc14, the ones that do say are just being ambitious and I know it'll end up with alot of " oh we thought it could be like this, like that , rah rah and you end up forking out a trillion $$ to get the damn car back..

so anyways, for turbo:

turbocharger, fmic, cold air intake, exhaust, clutch, manifold and the labour to get it in..

is that ^^ enough to get me atleast started with a turbo base? like just run off stock ecu, injectors and fuel pump (all of which I'd upgrade step by step later on) ?

a decent manifold here for 4agte is around 700$ , is it possible to source one from NZ cheaper? as I'm sure this stuff is far more common there. I know a guy who's been dicked around for so long that the poor bugga has a stock 4age now (initially gze but supercharger was sold coz he wanted turbo) and the bloody manifold is still not sourceable ...

Cheers!

[lucasthefallen]

have a look on ebay, theres a few around for something like $350-ish incl shipping to NZ

[Mr Revhead]

there is no way an sc14 install will be dearer than a turbo conversion....