Non Turbo MR2 stock hp or kw

[RomanV]

From memory there were a few nice 96-97 gen 4 NAs for around the 12 grand mark.

But still... 12 grand for an NA.

I wonder if that guy in gisbourne still has the $8000, 1 owner EVER gen 5.

[Lanius]

bang for buck, get a gen 3 turbo, bang for "gonna make cash back" get a gen 5 turbo...

Yeh, but not everyone wants a turbo Coz. They're expensive to run, expensive to maintain, and bloody expensive to insure compared to their NA cousins. Don't get me wrong, boost is awesome, and HEAPS of fun, but theres a fine line between lots of fun, and lots of money

Some people prefer NA. UZZ30 has specifically stated he wants an NA MR2. I'm sure he's well aware of the obvious differences between the turbo and non-turbo models

[UZZ30]

The turbo model is great quick and all but its almost to quick for me.

Their ment to do 100km/h in the low 6 second bracket and 1/4 in the low 14s stock.... so it would make my old soarer that did 100km/h in 7sec and run id say low 15s 1/4 mile look rather sluggish and a 3.0gt soarer seem even slower lol. The NA mr2 has similar straight line performance to the 3.0gt probably a bit faster on take off of course but thats why i prefer it to the turbo at the moment.

[CozmoNz]

low 6? with a ct20b and 18psi al managed a high 4 second to 100 X_X

quarter in low 13's

anyhow yeh, for that performance tehy certainly open their injectors up, but then again, so does every car.

maybe go for a gen 3 n/a then, go take some for a drive (gen 3 sw20 = 3sge w/ acis)

[RomanV]

(gen 3 sw20 = 3sge w/ acis)

as opppsed to the gen 1 and 2 sw20 that have ACIS?

BTW a beams NA SW20 does a 6 second 0-100, and is good for a 14.2 quarter mile in standard trim.......

Not too far off from an early standard turbo model.

There was a gen 1 NA SW20 doing a 14.7 with just intake and exhaust a few years back.

Im not sure what a gen 3 NA would do, although they were more powerful, IIRC they were slightly heavier.

[CozmoNz]

(gen 3 sw20 = 3sge w/ acis)

as opppsed to the gen 1 and 2 sw20 that have ACIS?

No, as oppsed to the gen 1 and 2 sw20 that have TVIS .

[RomanV]

Are you sure you dont want to just take my word for it?

[Lanius]

A very close friend had a '92 SW20 G Limited. Had a 3SGE from a later model (not sure which) installed by Quest4 (who did the pod filter, intake and cold air at the same time). It was *bloody* fast for an NA

I would love to have an NA SW20 to play with, but I've got my hands full of NA fun already

[Adamal]

Are you sure you dont want to just take my word for it?

Cozmo is never wrong

[RomanV]

A very close friend had a '92 SW20 G Limited. Had a 3SGE from a later model (not sure which) installed by Quest4 (who did the pod filter, intake and cold air at the same time). It was *bloody* fast for an NA

I would love to have an NA SW20 to play with, but I've got my hands full of NA fun already

Yes they are definitely heaps of fun, even a 1st gen with a standard motor etc.

And for the price they are going for at the moment, you are getting excellent bang for buck.

[UZZ30]

Really thinking about it ill definately go for the 3 gen NA mr2 over a 3.0gt soarer. Soarer 3.0gt would be still good but rather lazy compared to the mr2 driving wise

Plus they are, really really hard to find at a good price. Theres only one 3 litre on trade me and they want 15k!


Id definately have more fun in an MR2 plus its 5 speed manual not a 4 speed auto like in the soarer. Best of all its 2 litre so gas will be alot lower than my v8 was and probably be just as fast if not faster.. especially around corners the weight of the soarer can blunt its performance a fair bit

[AJz]

stock HP or factory quoted is as follows

Gen 1 & 2 > 165hp Gen2 3SGE
Gen 3 & 4 > 180hp Gen3 3SGE
Gen 5 > 200hp Blacktop 3SGE POWA!!!!!

someone correct me if im wrong.

course these are power at factory, not after 150,000 k's of thrashing

wrong.
wrong.
wrong.



Gen 1 motor makes 130hp or so IIRC. (they come in late 80s celicas & coronas etc... not worth bothering with. )

gen 2 = 165 as stated (this is the 89-92 MR2 engine)

gen 3 = 180hp. (93 onwards engine)

gen 4 makes 190hp(auto) or 200hp(manual) (1998 onwards engine)

and a gen 5 makes 200hp(auto) and 210hp(manual). (1998 onwards engine)

gen 4 motor is available in GT caldinas, and 98-99 celicas and MR2s.

Blacktop motor is available in Altezza only.

Have a nice day.

Ok so my post is a little wrong, that should have said Redtop, not blacktop, it was late, lol.....

other than that i cant see what else is wrong, im quoting figures for each Generation Mr2, i think your confusing it with 3SGE gen engines,

Afaik mr2's in manual only had 3 3SGE variants did they not, 165, 180 and 200, mr2's never got a blacktop as it is only in the tezza's

[RomanV]

erm... actually you're right. Sorry.

I thought you were talking 3sge gens rather than SW20 gens.

Although I do know that the redtop available in the gen 5 sw20 was 10hp less for the automatics, Im not sure if this applies to the earlier generations as well.

[AJz]

that sounds about right.

just a random question, the NZ new celicas have 5SFE's in them right.

Did the NZ new MR2's get the same? its something i havnt seen around. they must have been quite rare if they are.

[RomanV]

No, but apparently there are a few NZ new 3sfe powered SW20s here.... *shudder* Not many though, no more than a handful I would imagine.

All american NA SW20s came with 5sfes. poor bastards!

[UZZ30]

lol, for the first time in ages a 3.0gt is for sale on trade me

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 983600.htm

almost 10k tho.... 3k out of my buget but its got 85,000kms and 1996.... hmm

[RomanV]

My mate that bought his soarer got it from Hamilton.

Apparently Hamilton is a good place to buy cars, if you want one from a dealer.
The car yard salesmen were saying that a lot of Aucklanders come down to H town to buy cars.

As the cost of land, rates, living costs etc. is lower in Hamilton, and this is reflected in their prices.

I forget exactly what my mate paid for his '96 facelift soarer, but it was definitely under 7 grand.

With less than 100,000kms on the clock IIRC.

Although given the SW20 market at the moment, youre gonna pay bugger all for a gen 1 or 2, and a bit more for a gen 3 onwards, where ever you go.

[CozmoNz]

that a turbo 3 litre or an n/a 3 litre?

I know its GT but so is a levin and they arnt turbo... my 3 litre soarers are bit, yaknow

[barryogen]

gen 4 makes 190hp(auto) or 200hp(manual) (1998 onwards engine)

and a gen 5 makes 200hp(auto) and 210hp(manual). (1998 onwards engine)

were there major differences between the auto and manual engines, or was it just drivetrain differences that make the HP difference?

[RomanV]

To clarify, that is flywheel HP differences. The auto was detuned to be more 'torquey'.

Which makes sense, I mean how much time do you spend at 7000rpm in an auto?

I cant comment on the redtop 3sge, but auto altezza 3sge (in comparison to the manual version) had smaller intake/exhaust ports, steel valves instead of titanium, less aggressive cams, smaller valves.

So quite a significant difference.

Although in Lynn Rogers opinion, the 'auto' head design was superior, as the ports on the manual version were on the large side.

Although apparently the auto Altezza head is VERY similar to the manual redtop 3sge head anyway.... and they both make 200hp.

Im not sure if the auto/manual redtop engines share the same differences, it would be interesting to see.
Ive just got to convince Xero to let me pull his engine apart.