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by **Xyrath 86** » Sat Dec 24, 2005 9:56 pm

Ive been in Acesniper's car when he's beaten turbo legacy's, WRX's, Skylines and B18C Integra's... in all gears.....

by **BZG Wagon** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 9:49 am

Chickenman wrote:
BZG Wagon wrote: Turbos kick it a lot lower than VVTi

Only VVT in the B/T.

???

He said he has a Levin BZ-G, which would be VVTi being an AE111 (im pretty sure the BZ-G's never came with an AE101's).

by **Chickenman** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 10:59 am

Blacktop only has vvt.

No intelligence, totally load/temp dependant.

A common misconception though. :wink:

And ae111 ae101 etc are model numbers.
Engine codes are 4age 3sgte etc...

by **CozmoNz** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 11:23 am

BZG Wagon wrote:
Chickenman wrote:
BZG Wagon wrote: Turbos kick it a lot lower than VVTi

Only VVT in the B/T.

???

He said he has a Levin BZ-G, which would be VVTi being an AE111 (im pretty sure the BZ-G's never came with an AE101's).

FYI late model ae101 facelift came out with Blacktops

(acesniper has one i think.).

But yeh, only VVT.

by **AceSniper** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 11:53 am

lol, late mid 1993 on ae101's came with facelift silvertops they run abit better than the early ones, but they didnt come out blacktop.
mines a swap with some bits an peaces

by **CozmoNz** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:52 pm

i stand corrected!

by **BZG Wagon** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:59 pm

Chickenman wrote:Blacktop only has vvt.

No intelligence, totally load/temp dependant.

A common misconception though.

And ae111 ae101 etc are model numbers.
Engine codes are 4age 3sgte etc...

Yes, but from my understanding the engines are based/tuned on the model code;

4AGE AW11
4AGE AE86
4AGE AE82
4AGE AE92
4AGE AE101 - VVT
4AGE AE111 - VVTi

In 1991 another version of the 4A engine came along, the 20 Valve. This had many different changes most notably the 5 valve head, a new 4 port intake manifold, and a VVT system. This was the first production engine in history with a 5 valve head, this innovation being sourced directly from Yamaha Formula 1 experience. As a result, the power once again went up, this time to a very impressive 165 HP. This engine was used in the Levin/Corolla, neither of which were available in the US. In 1996 this engine received the "VVTi" designation signaling a new ECU. The i stands for "intelligence" which decides the rpm at which the timing is changed. This along the switch from the AFM air sensor to the MAP sensor helped to boost HP by 5.

http://shell.deru.com/~sgn1/AW11/4age.htm

Pic of 20v Blacktop 4AGE. Im sure these guys would know what they are talking about:
http://www.rawengineering.co.uk/downloads/raw_brochure_v.2005.pdf

I could be wrong, but I have always been sure that with the AE111 Toyota used the VVTi system insted of the VVT system.

by **AceSniper** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:14 pm

here we go...

NO blacktop is only vvt
over half of the websites say there vvti... why? coz there dumb and prolly never seen a 20v haha

:roll:

vvt on silvertop and blacktop works the same way "on" "off"
whats diffrent between the two is the starting and finishing points of advance... but they still both advance 15degrees.

by **AceSniper** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:17 pm

on a side note... im runing the blacktop with a silvertop loom, and can also run it with a stock silvertop ecu and AFM setup.

by **vvega** » Sun Dec 25, 2005 4:42 pm

[quote="BZG Wagon"]

I could be wrong,quote]

best part of your post and very acurate

by **BZG Wagon** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:31 am

vvega wrote:
BZG Wagon wrote:
I could be wrong,

best part of your post and very acurate

At least it was a post with reasoning and references to justify that reasoning.

Anyway, I stand corrected. I cant believe stuff I read on the internet was wrong - my whole world is crashing around me

.

Does anyone know why the 4AGE on the AE111's put out an extra 5kw over the 4AGE's on the AE101's?

by **vvega** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:35 am

more compression
bigger cams
open chamber heads
different cam advance
map sensor
bigger ex ports
bigger tbodys

all that to get 5 kw

v

by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:00 am

ae101s did come out with blacktops.
they still made ae101 wagons and marinos/ceres after the 95 ae111 introduction, and they were fitted with blacktops. no idea why... but they did.

just to confuse yas all.

by **Mr. Mainstream** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:09 am

man you guys are a crack up sometime :lol:

. i dont even bother giving 20V's a go anymore, face it, they aint that quick. and if you think you can beat a 2.0L Straight Six DOHC 24V Turbo charged Skyline in all gears with your little 1.6L Twin Cam you must be mentally challenged.
Unless you have HUGE MODS (eg bored out and stroked, huge turbo hanging off the manifold etc) sorry no.
20V are slow. god i hate 20v's die :twisted:

.
Buy a Famil

by **AceSniper** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 4:12 pm

Mr. Mainstream your very narrow minded, rember the weight of them whales and that not giving them ago comment is quite funny coz i get it abit, talk to them an they doit with the "ill piss on him in mind" and it dosnt work out like that :roll:

by **Leon** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 4:26 pm

I'm a huge 4AGE fan, and I too would have to say that people who think they piss all over a RB20DET or RB25DET ... well, there would have to be something wrong with the engine (well, okay probably the driver) in the other car.

Sorry but if I drove a AE111 around Manfeild and a Skyline turbo manual around Manfeild, I know which one is going to be a hell of a lot quicker.

I know which one I would own (the Corolla naturally), but the Skyline is going to be quicker.

by **AceSniper** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 4:33 pm

yea for sure it should be quicker.... but the k's they have on the clock now days along with there kiddy drivers alot of them can be easly beaten, wouldnt be a problem untill the boost has been wound up

by **Mr. Mainstream** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 5:56 pm

i am a HUGE fan on 4AGE's dont get me round, i had a ae92 FX-GT with a few things done to it back in the day. also am a huge fan of rb20det's, just let it go, 4age are reliable engines but cant compete with gts-t's WITHOUT SERIOUS MOD'S

by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:04 pm

why the f**k are we comparing apples to oranges?

by **Mr. Mainstream** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:14 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:why the f**k are we comparing apples to oranges?

perfect comment, they are NOT to be compared.

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