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Website · by **Bling** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:41 pm

$40, lol!!! :lol:

considering how most of our cars would be treated before being imported, i'm sure a $10-15 fram filter or the likes will be good enough to keep the engine in good shape....with regular services....

but anyway.... $40.... really....

each to their own, but I think thats a bit extreme unless u dont have to service it 3 times a year

by **Mr Revhead** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:47 pm

again.... have a look inside some different filters one day

by **Ae92typeX** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 8:11 am

Mr Revhead wrote:again.... have a look inside some different filters one day

I agree, some aftermarket inners dont visually come to standards of genuine's...others do.

show me the factual tests

by **Leon** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:01 am

I was abused by a friend of mine in the US for running fram oil filters on my 4AGE. I think the kindest term he used was "they suck". There are some interesting comparison tests I remember seeing about five years ago ... wonder if I can go google it.

by **tomo1985** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:14 am

how much for a black top 4age one

Santa's TardMe Listings · by **Santa'sBoostinSleigh** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 2:27 pm

tomo1985 wrote:how much for a black top 4age one

step one: read above posts again - all 4age's are the same - they are even the same a ST215 3SGTE filter
step two: email mr revhead/ring 0800BOWATER and ask for shrek oops, warwick/ring 0800TOYOTA and ask them

by **Mr GTZ** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 5:15 pm

Genuine:

Non-Genuine:

You decide....!!! :twisted:

OMG so shiny! · by **Dell'Orto** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:07 pm

If you're changing filters every 5000k's, I doubt the difference between genuine and aftermarket is that great. As for $40 for TRD filters :lol:

Genuine are like half the price though eh?

Leon: I've heard much the same about Fram...apparently they used to be good back in the 70's, but steadily went downhill since. I used a Fram on the wagon at one point, and I think the oil was slightly darker than the usual Ryco ones. Could have just been the conditions I guess.

by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:44 pm

yeah iv heard fram have gone down hill....

TRD are really for high pressure systems.....
they do filter better than stock also.
the internals are reinforced with metal whereas stock are plastic.
ryco ones look real rough compared to genuine

by **Ae92typeX** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:49 pm

*be nice if anyone had up to date factual tests rather then hearsay though.*

imo, as Mmm, Boost suggests, I think on a STANDARD, ROAD GOING car the most important thing is regular oil & filter changes. On most jappers ive owned Ive never let them go over 5000 before a change and on the mini I do about 3000km as it shares oil with the box.
Even if you have a 'better' oil filter, the oil will still degrade regardless of its filtering power- thats going to do just as much damage.

just a imo ramble anyway.

by **Mr Revhead** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:09 pm

yeah your pretty much right
however theres less chance of leaks/failures with genune. and yes rycos do leak and fail. we get a couple a month. granted we do several thousand a month....

but yeah... regular at good intervals is the main thing.

by **Ae92typeX** » Mon Feb 20, 2006 10:18 pm

yea, im not disputing there are better and worse- they are not all made in the same shop, so some will be of a lower quality- and as you show, from experience, some may be known to leak. Its also worth noting that people dont all know how to put a filter on properly either- to tight is just as bad as to loose...but im going off topic and have replied more than my quota on this post

by **BZG Wagon** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 5:15 am

The guys at Repco would struggle to find the front of a car. The seem to muck everything up; My Thermostat, Oil Filter on my mums corolla etc etc.

Could my POS Repco Filter be the reason why my oil has gone reasonably-black extraordinarily fast (like after 3000kms)?

Santa's TardMe Listings · by **Santa'sBoostinSleigh** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:35 am

BZG Wagon wrote:The guys at Repco would struggle to find the front of a car. The seem to muck everything up; My Thermostat, Oil Filter on my mums corolla etc etc.

Could my POS Repco Filter be the reason why my oil has gone reasonably-black extraordinarily fast (like after 3000kms)?

the fact that most people at repco know less than their arse computer system doesnt help...

the black oil may also be due to you not draining all the last lot out properly (sp?) but totally draining is pretty much impossible!

by **Leon** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 9:20 am

/sidetrack
Worth noting, if you find somebody good at Repco, or any other one of those shops, always ask for that person when you go in. Back in rental car days, I learned who knew their stuff, and who didn't. So I always dealt with the same people, even if I had to wait.

OMG so shiny! · by **Dell'Orto** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 6:19 pm

BZG Wagon wrote:The guys at Repco would struggle to find the front of a car. The seem to muck everything up; My Thermostat, Oil Filter on my mums corolla etc etc.

Could my POS Repco Filter be the reason why my oil has gone reasonably-black extraordinarily fast (like after 3000kms)?

Unlikely, its more to do with driving conditions than the filter.

by **BZG Wagon** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 7:51 pm

Mmm, Boost wrote:
BZG Wagon wrote:The guys at Repco would struggle to find the front of a car. The seem to muck everything up; My Thermostat, Oil Filter on my mums corolla etc etc.

Could my POS Repco Filter be the reason why my oil has gone reasonably-black extraordinarily fast (like after 3000kms)?

Unlikely, its more to do with driving conditions than the filter.

Please Explain?

I have heard that you cannot wear oil out. When it goes black, its just impurities getting into the oil. Have I got exhaust fumes or something getting in there?

Also; I always use that engine clean stuff. Is it actually benefiting the engine, or could it cause it to wear faster?

OMG so shiny! · by **Dell'Orto** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:05 pm

Lots of short trips will dirty up your oil quicker, as the motor doesnt get a chance to get up to temp.
Not really exhaust fumes as such, but most motors will have a little bit of air/fuel mix go past the rings, which will pollute the oil...and obviously when the car is cold, the air/fuel mix is richer.

As for that engine clean stuff - Im not really convinced it would do a heck of a lot. Might dissolve a few deposits in the oil galleries, but unless you run the motor with it in its probably not getting around the motor that much.

by **Mr GTZ** » Tue Feb 21, 2006 8:29 pm

I have heard that you cannot wear oil out. When it goes black, its just impurities getting into the oil. Have I got exhaust fumes or something getting in there?

Oil Filter: A device used to strain the engine oil, removing impurities and abrasive particles.
The filter has a by-pass valve, which opens, if the filter becomes blocked. This allows unfiltered oil into the system so that the engine is not starved of oil :arrow:

Important...!!!

Its not so much the oil that wears out its the additives, depressants and inhibitors in there that do.

by **SnakeEyes** » Wed Feb 22, 2006 9:30 am

Santa'sBoostinSleigh wrote:
BZG Wagon wrote:The guys at Repco would struggle to find the front of a car. The seem to muck everything up; My Thermostat, Oil Filter on my mums corolla etc etc.

Could my POS Repco Filter be the reason why my oil has gone reasonably-black extraordinarily fast (like after 3000kms)?

the fact that most people at repco know less than their arse computer system doesnt help...

the black oil may also be due to you not draining all the last lot out properly (sp?) but totally draining is pretty much impossible!

- Wow, your guys' ones must suck. The one by my house in Hamilton kicks ass and the guys certainly know what they're talking about

K<^-^>E

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