2ggze vs b18cr

[10speed]

Is it me or only I noticed that heading says: 2GGZE (as in supercharged stroked 1G-GE 6cyl)?
not 2ZZGE....

correct

this engine is 1.8litre with 141kw right? or am i actually thinking of a 2jjze (im a honda nut, i dont know too much about toyota engine codes, however i looked in the engine spec thread and i think the 2ggze is the one im thinking of).. correct me if im wrong

2zzge = 141kw, pretty sure there is no such thing as a 2ggz2

[HELBND]

Sounds like you have your Z's And G's mixed up as what you're discribing (as HELBND has mentioned) there sounds an awful lot like the 2ZZGE that others in this thread are mentioning.

Does a 2GGZE even exist?

lol i dont think it does.

does this come coupled with a 6speed box in any cars? possibly some of the newer celicas ? although i am under the impression the 6speed celicas have a 2litre (3sge perhaps?)

Yes it comes with a 6 spd box. for example, the Celica GTS, which is the one youre thinking of, which has a 2zz. So obviously they arent 2L

[10speed]

B18C

* VTEC
* Found in:
o 1994 Honda Integra SiR-G
o 1995-1997 Honda Integra SiR
* Power: 180 hp (128 kW)
o 1997-2001 Honda Integra (Japan) Type R
* Power: 195 hp @ 8100 rpm

The 2ZZ-GE is a 1.8 L (1796 cc) version built in Japan. Bore is 82 mm and stroke is 85 mm. Output is 180 hp (134 kW) at 7600 RPM with 130 ft·lbf (176 N·m) of torque at 6800 RPM. It uses MFI fuel injection, has VVTL-i, and features forged steel connecting rods. Compression ratio is 11.5:1. Unlike others in the ZZ family, the 2ZZ-GE requires "premium" gasoline - 91 octane or above in the USA. Power output for this engine varies depending on the application and tuning, with the Lotus Elise and Lotus Exige offering 190 hp but the Pontiac Vibe, Toyota Corolla and Toyota Matrix versions only developing 180 hp (+2005: 170 hp). The Corolla Compressor adds a supercharger to achieve 215 hp.

[Ako]

Funny

Those two sites are using two different hp:kW conversions

[10speed]

Funny

Those two sites are using two different hp:kW conversions

funnier when you discover its the same site...

http://en.wikipedia.com

[barryogen]

can anyone claim 13.7(i think) on a N/A 2zzge? (FLYRYD)
dont think so

I doubt it. the quickest I've read about an NA RunX/celica/XRS is 14.7 NA on street tyres.

point noted. i heard some come with a 6speed close ratio box, unsure what car or anything, but does this make much difference(if its true)?

some do, mine does(RunX), it's nice, but not what I would call necessary. it is fairly common in cars with a 2zzge(Corolla XRS/RS180/RunX/Allex/Fielder/Celica GTS, Pontiac Vibe and a few others)


This is gleamed from forums that I read or am a member of...

It is stated from Toyota that it(the 2zz-ge) is 141kw/181HP, or 190PS in Japanland.
The different versions that appear around the world have different specs.

The USDM Celica GTS is rated at 170HP due to some emmisions crap that the other countries don't get, also redline is at 7800 instead of the JDM 8000-8300.
The late 2001-2003 2zz-ges in the corollas and Celicas appear to have been programmed differently, giving better mid range torque, but only 168HP, the mid range torue clears up the dull spot before it hits lift(5500-6000).

Any more info needed, just ask, I have a heap of it.

Oh, and to compare it with B18C, in "testing" with an NZhondas forum member, we came up pretty close, I edged away at the start, he caught up to be even... not a lot in it. It was daylight, and it was on the street, so yeah, we werent trying to break any laws or anything while trying to compare.

[Grrrrrrr!]

can anyone claim 13.7(i think) on a N/A 2zzge? (FLYRYD)
dont think so

"Having just 10.4 pounds to move with each horsepower enables the Elise to accelerate from 0 to 60 in 5.1 seconds on the way to a 13.5-second 102.9-mph quarter mile."

And goes round corners like its on rails..

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/cou ... price.html

You said 2zzge.. you didn't say toyota

oh, and there are a few companies do bolt on turbo kits already.. 400hp 900kg Lotus Elise for me please!

[Reaper_2000]

theres a elise owner on nzhondas with a k20a in it, total beast bit unfair comparison tho lol.

[Grrrrrrr!]

But thats a hacked together POS.. i thought we were talking production cars with there original motors

if you wanna go that way.. how bout all the V8 mx5s out there.

[Reaper_2000]

But thats a hacked together POS.. i thought we were talking production cars with there original motors

if you wanna go that way.. how bout all the V8 mx5s out there.

lol they exist?.. crazy

[Grrrrrrr!]

Exist? they are almost as common as rx-323s..
http://www.v8miata.com

[Bazda]

2zzge's are a very nice engine, i've seen the internals of them and its real nice!!
Lynn Rodgers does these engines for the toyota series in NZ.
In standard form plus intake exhaust extractors etc they make 215hp on his engine dyno .

[crnkin]

hmmmm and 82mm bores..... with a nice head.....

anyone thinking what im thinking

[Bazda]

hmmmm and 82mm bores..... with a nice head.....

anyone thinking what im thinking

2zzge block is totally diff, it looked more like a honda design to me..

[crnkin]

i was just meaning forged pistons from a 4a and mega boost...

[bluemaumau]

2zzge's are a very nice engine, i've seen the internals of them and its real nice!!
Lynn Rodgers does these engines for the toyota series in NZ.
In standard form plus intake exhaust extractors etc they make 215hp on his engine dyno .

sure thay make the power, but i was talking to one of the racers at puke, and there on there 3rd engine this season. what goods power if you cant use it?

[sergei]

Our team never had any major engine problems last year in TRS...

[barryogen]

i was just meaning forged pistons from a 4a and mega boost...

With 3mm(or is it 4mm) aluminium cylinder walls, I wouldn't like to throw any more than about 10lb at it.

sure thay make the power, but i was talking to one of the racers at puke, and there on there 3rd engine this season. what goods power if you cant use it?

they are fine as long as you don't mis-shift... a mis-shift will reult in oil pump failure, or bent valves, or both... all my reading about them says don't play too much in the revs above 7,800 without uping the valve springs at a minimum.

[Lith]

But thats a hacked together POS.. i thought we were talking production cars with there original motors

if you wanna go that way.. how bout all the V8 mx5s out there.

Why? The K20A Elise would probably deal to them at the drags, and then monster them at the tracl

[sergei]

Also, early in TRS they had no harmonic balancer, that is probably why there were a few engine problems. My impression of the whole series, that it was put together in a very hurry, as when it started the cars had cooling problems (they had to add extra radiator), inlet manifold leaks, no harmonic balancers with stock blocks, oil coolers added as after thought cable tied to radiator, the bloody thing did not had cold idle up although they used stock throttle body, bellhousing had cracking problems...and then mix up with ECUs
So In my opinion the engine failure was due to bad planning not to weak engine.