t3 turbo for 200kw 4agte

[Phothog]

if they have doughts about its quailty why would they want to put their name behind it... it is as simple as that.

they just reverse engineer the parts. & if you make a copy it doesnt come out quite right, but the quailty will improve maybe over the next 5-10 years but then will the price...

Frost. you are correct they would be good if they made them out of the same material etc.. but they dont. the material they use for the bearings & thrusts are not the same.

i have had a turbo X-Rayed as well. infact the Airport staff asked what it was & if they can scan it again... it was an 3.1 isuzu turbo.

i can post up losts of suituations that people have brought the copy turbos only to have them fail & then buy genuine turbos and have no problems..

if i personaly wanted to upgrade turbo on the MR2.. it wouldnt be nothing but a quailty turbocharger that i know inside & out.

Chris.

[steve murch]

well where would you all like me to start? your wallet will allways speak for you, what i find hard to understand is how you can spend thousands on wheels and tyres and 10 bucks on a turbo. and before anyone says anything i know what they pay for these turbos and itll well under 200 landed! what a bargin.
i have been offered these to me many times starting about 6 years ago, a comp wheel for 10bucks us!!! hhhmmmm
there will always be a market for these so long as people wont to buy them, i can only but advise others what to do.
as far as rebuilding them goes i have looked at afew and oem parts wont go near them, they may look the same but how do you know what the materials used are. see if you can get a magnet to stick to the trubine shaft, if so its a time bomb.
i spoke to a certain pro import racer who uses them in his customers cars, i ask why? reply, cheap and some live.
i said thats great, why dont you use them in your gtr? no reply, but he had a hks unit sittin under the hood.
double standards or he knows better.
one of the biggest problems today for people like myself and chris is the forum experts with boggus names that copy and paste.
i keep away now cause of this unless i see the need to speek up and i no longer deal with the public or advertise, and i still cant keep up with the work load, i will allways help where i can if someone is prepared to listen but i have no chance with what goes on these days which is why i stopped posting on many forums.
people need to remember that good advise for most isnt free

[flygt4]

thanks for the reply steve. i had noticed you've stopped posting accurate information on most forums due to the amount of rubbish being posted and nameslinging etc.

hopefully you'll see fit to lend some useful information every now and then. i guess for a person in a trade its hard to watch other people quote off about something they know nothing about

[Crucible]

i will allways help where i can if someone is prepared to listen but i have no chance with what goes on these days which is why i stopped posting on many forums.
people need to remember that good advise for most isnt free

Yes, thanks Chris and Steve, not often you get well known Technicians sharing their experiance's and giving good advice on forums. You cant question or argue with guys that do it everyday and are respected in the industry.

cheers

[tsoob]

so the basic answer is buy a real one, thanks guys. btw the guy who offered me one at the start of the thread has offered me a garrett, the comp wheel is .60 will this be enough to pump 200kw, assuming all the rest of the engine is capable.

[mjrstar]

here is a bit more info on this. it's no 230kw fire beathing turbo but should provide good response in a 1600.

[Bazda]

The problem is there are like 50 companies in China who make the exact same turbo! but the quality control at their factorys vary alot.
I've sourced my self a place in China who have very good standards and I havetn had 1 yet to fail, and i've sold over 20 of them now!
+ im using one on my car 330kw with 27psi, I use launch control and flat shifting with it so nice big back fires and flames between gear changes, been like that for 1 year now.
If you want a reasonable priced turbo that will do the job give me a pm. Mine arent as cheap as the ones sold on trademe they are a bit dearer.

[steve murch]

there will allways be a market for low quaility products as the buyers wallet does the thinking for him. the places alot of these products come from dont know the meaning of iso control or standards and have no problem coping anything you surply them, but whether or not they understand the materials or concept of what they produce is another question.
im glad these products are being brought in as it gives poeple a choice but at a price. selling over 20 units is great and i hope you understand the consumers rights act, im not knocking what your doing as its a free world but would your dad use these or any chinese products in his trick escort?
alot of shops are using these turbos and other brands but when it comes to their own toy they dont.
ive just done a report for a place in the states that make a very good product to which ive repaired many of, but the last one i did has all the signs of chinese copy! not good for business for them.
chinese have no ethics in what they do and at the same time are distroying the plant and for that alone i wont use it which is why i use oem and i manufactor my own units.

[Bazda]

If dad was going turbo he would def use one of these turbos I use thats for sure.

Steve your just talking about the majority of these chinese turbos. I have done my research and testing the ones I bring in are not cheap at all. I know most of the chinese stuff is crap, dont get me wrong im not sayign its all good.
I to used to dis all the chinese stuff until I came across this one particular company where the turbos didnt break and produced the numbers.

with my car if i bought a bb turbo I doubt id make any more power. With that extra $1k+ i saved on a turbo I could spend it else where to get more power, head work or cams etc. But I get where your coming from and its all good, everyone has their own opinions as its a free world like you said.

Anyhow, steve i've seen u have been doing that anti surge thing on mitsi turbos, drilling holes into the compressor intake.... Can this be done to most turbos and how much roughly does it cost.

[steve murch]

If dad was going turbo he would def use one of these turbos I use thats for sure.

ok, but from what dealings ive had with your dad over the years, well i guess you should know him better.
Steve your just talking about the majority of these chinese turbos. I have done my research and testing the ones I bring in are not cheap at all. I know most of the chinese stuff is crap, dont get me wrong im not sayign its all good.
I to used to dis all the chinese stuff until I came across this one particular company where the turbos didnt break and produced the numbers.

with the customer base i have around the world i would be playing with fire to consider anything but the highest quaility, as i said theres allways a market for other product levels
with my car if i bought a bb turbo I doubt id make any more power. With that extra $1k+ i saved on a turbo I could spend it else where to get more power, head work or cams etc. But I get where your coming from and its all good, everyone has their own opinions as its a free world like you said.

ball bearing turbos wernt designed to make more power, size for size with a plain bearing unit the output is the same and theres other reason for the ball bearing side of it. i have one or two qualifications in engineering( i cant spell to save myself tho ) and i know of many people that have travelled to china to have products made, when there under their control is good till they leave, cheap materials are then used plus they dont care who they sell to. there is alot more to a turbo than what is made today and im not just in it for the money.
we are along way from what can be done with a turbo which is why im desiging my own.
Anyhow, steve i've seen u have been doing that anti surge thing on mitsi turbos, drilling holes into the compressor intake.... Can this be done to most turbos and how much roughly does it cost.

so long as theres enough material there on the intake yes it can be done, the intake length to the intake also effects how effective it is,( i dont give prices on forums)
as far as your dad goes he's a ledgend in his escort and a great pedeller.
i loved to watch him in his old turbo escort kickin the crap out of v8's down the back straight of puke,tell him he should build another( his old car turned to crap when he sold it to foster)
cheers steve

[Bazda]

man u knew foster, I think garry lathrote owned it before foster did but only had it for a short time , u must of followed dads racing quite a bit.

yea my dads mate adrian has the car now, he was going to restore it back to its original spec in the baige colour, well a bit better than its original spec. But they guy has no time and its kinda just sitting there.

[steve murch]

unfortunatly i knew foster, ripped off when i put hundreds of hours into his mx6 transam. he was abit of a cry baby and i would have liked to see your dad back in the old escort after it had the majors done to it as foster couldnt drive to save his self.
if your dads mate finished it he would be allowed to run in historics, now that would make alot of people now look stupped, it would give mr delmont a run for his money mikes a good sort too
be nice to see the old sports sedans go back to what they use to be, like osca in the south island, build and run what ever you like.
there use to be a big box gaurd lime green mk4 cotina with a small block in it, didnt handle to well but no one cared cause it was cool

[Bazda]

unfortunatly i knew foster, ripped off when i put hundreds of hours into his mx6 transam. he was abit of a cry baby and i would have liked to see your dad back in the old escort after it had the majors done to it as foster couldnt drive to save his self.
if your dads mate finished it he would be allowed to run in historics, now that would make alot of people now look stupped, it would give mr delmont a run for his money mikes a good sort too
be nice to see the old sports sedans go back to what they use to be, like osca in the south island, build and run what ever you like.
there use to be a big box gaurd lime green mk4 cotina with a small block in it, didnt handle to well but no one cared cause it was cool

yea id def like to see those cars again. I saw at manfield the Don grindley car had been rebuilt and some old guy was driving it.
The way dads turbo esky was back in the day it did 1.04s on the old puke track, todays track is over 2s faster! imagine it now! would be insane fast with some added technology. get rid of that single carb it had lol.
how does it class as a historic?

[steve murch]

i belive it goes on age and history and the car has plenty of both
1.04 isnt slow even by todays standards, sorry for the reminising everyone but its nice to go back, the event i would love to go to is the goodwood festival of speed, which is why i build gt40 replica's, not many cars today apart from DTM touring cars have that sort of look, dont ask my age and im not that old just a good memory