Beams 3sge + ST205 CT20b = ?

[DeeCee]

lets see.. spending over 10 - 15k on an engine rebuild on a gen2 with a mse t05/6 from Al @ driven, do everything else like fuel pump, injectors etc and what am i left with? maybe over 220kw if i'm lucky?

still in a 17 year old shell.

add the 3 - 5k willwood brake upgrade, 10k in audio equipment, another 10k in interior modifications that i had planned on spending to meet my requirements in sound quality, another 5k on a paint job minimum, the bodykit i would build myself and all the other stuff I would do myself to save costs and because i'm particular with certain stuff and i would easily spend 50 - 70k over the next maybe year or two on doing up a 17 year old car that has character.

i've already bought W2A, camber plates, RC bumpers and have done wheels and suspension recently so where does it stop on an old shell?

WOW - looks like that is the deal of the century!! I have no doubt that it would turned some heads, but overall, its still an old car. 17 years old to be exact!

I was going to go through with it and would still do happily except its an old and dated car. This was THE dream car.. and it was quickly turning into a nightmare unless I was willing to go through with it.. ALL THE WAY!
We're talking a lot of innovative stuff here... and the majority would have been done by me. But stark realisation.. old platform.. old motor.. why even start when i can cut losses now, start on a better and newer platform?

So don't spout off about an engine rebuild being out of the question. It was already in the works and a plan was already laid out and i would happily do the work and learn along the way.

Currently i'm looking at options and doing my research.. bandying around ideas if you will. Hence why I am asking.. do something with what I have in terms of the ct20b or do i sell up and start fresh?

I know that Woollys car is a good deal (cept not the colour i want). And I'd love the opportunity to have a better and newer platform to start on which is why i'm looking at altezzas.

That and my mate and his pop are building a redline classic with an eaton supercharged beams and I have the opportunity to work alongside them and learn while they build their race car..

to me that is hand in hand knowledge and education while they do their thing. Means i get cheap deals when they get cheap deals as well if things get chucked in together eg the HPC coating of various exhaust components going in a couple of weeks time.

As it stands.. i already don't like some of woollys pipe work in the car and I see it changing as soon as I got it. That and colour of joiners and I'd look at changing the heatshield around the turbo as well..

I can already see myself dropping $$ into an altezza to get it to what I would define as "good" or if you like, at a level which i would be happy with.

if you really have nothing constructive to say then feel free to not say a thing..

[DeeCee]

In my opinion in the long run it would be cheaper to stick stock 2JZ-GTE in it, than turbo-ing BEAMS engine. It also would be nicer to drive.
Or even 1JZ-GTE, they are nice motors and are much cheaper than 2JZ-GTE.

Just a question here: Are we talking about Altezzas right?
If it is about BEAMS celica, than forget what I said above

altezzas sergei.. and yes.. i'm looking at 2jzgte conversions as an option as well for the future..

[sergei]

My advice is to buy newer car and do minimal "damage". That is keep the reliability and drivability of a stock car. You will not achieve this by turboing stock engine (even if you completely rebuild it it will still be quiet dog to drive). Get an engine that makes a lot of power in factory form - like JZ series engines, these have a lot higher potential than 3SG(T)E. Plus they are a lot more drivable (it does not have this "nothing till ~4000rpm and than uncontrollable rush of power")

[DeeCee]

still thinking hard about it.. or just buy a tubro supra.. but i hate the front lights on them..

[Lloyd]

Work out your budget (and be realistic), work out what sort of power you actually want out of it (and be realistic) and really just work out what you want from your car. if you're planning on spending 70k on it then you can do anything, no point asking on here as you'll end up hearing what other people would want if they could spend your money for you.


You're obviously not going for speed by spending 10k on audio an another 10 on interior (seriously, you have too much money if you do) so rather than trying to do everything just concentrate on one area at a time.

If you go the 3S option its all coming out and you're making decisions on the way which is going to lead to issues in itself, and being that you are going to pick things up along the way by doing it yourself (yeah, good luck with that) I would say you'd be better off going with the 2JZ option being that it will still be standard and reliable while still having driveability and fairly good performance. You still have the option later on with bolt on mods that don't require stripping the engine down and starting again.

[DeeCee]

Cheers HRT - yes I am being realistic in what I want and have power goals in mind. But that still doesn't detract from what is my first love, and that is building SQ systems. I was going to build a modular system which would allow me to remove stereo gear and ancillaries for track days and dragging.

And the reason I ask questions is for my knowledge and education. I am not one to jump into something without first researching and understanding what is and isn't possible.

The initial plan was a 9 month build of the silly car.. staged delivery on all accounts (i am in project mgmt so am used to staged delivery and goal setting).

The 3S option is because of current availability of RS200s and because they fit within my current budget of around 15k as a buy now purchase for a new platform.

2JZ is extending the budget, but also it would include the Gita's which is another option in terms of body style.

And before anyone asks.. no wrx's, evo's or skylines. I like the toyota family

[rollaholic]

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[barryogen]

still thinking hard about it.. or just buy a tubro supra.. but i hate the front lights on them..

Dude, if the budget is 50-70k, just buy a damn supra and change the lights to whatever the hell you like.

[DeeCee]

sorry.. don't like the soarer and yes, i have considered the supra and changing lights lol

and budget of 50K + is over the course of a year.. its not like i have the readies to pony up and just spend right now lol

[barryogen]

and budget of 50K + is over the course of a year..

50k a year... my mrs lets me spend $2k that she knows of, and about another 4k that she can't see...

you simply must be single.

[Dell'Orto]

and budget of 50K + is over the course of a year..

50k a year... my mrs lets me spend $2k that she knows of, and about another 4k that she can't see...

you simply must be single.

You apparently suck at creative accounting then

If you're hardout into audio, a Supra probably isnt the best choice as they really dont have much in the way of interior space. An Altezza would be better for it.

[DeeCee]

i am.. i work, i earn, i save, i spend

[DeeCee]

and budget of 50K + is over the course of a year..

50k a year... my mrs lets me spend $2k that she knows of, and about another 4k that she can't see...

you simply must be single.

You apparently suck at creative accounting then

If you're hardout into audio, a Supra probably isnt the best choice as they really dont have much in the way of interior space. An Altezza would be better for it.

plan was/is to rebuild the interior to suit my requirements

[RomanV]

There's a good reason to build a show car... because you've got a buisness and are using it as advertising/a tax writeoff. As for why you'd want to do so privately, you must be mad.

You spend a fortune, and are left with a car that's worth less than a standard one.
You cant drive it anywhere, because you may as well have left 20k sitting in the inside of the car, and it's stupidly high theft risk.
Cant get insurance for obvious reasons.
Your car is now stupidly sluggish, thanks to 200kgs of sound audio gear etc.
So you need to add a bigger turbo etc just to make it as fast as it was.
And there's no point in taking it on the track or anything, because it'll be slow.
Only a small section of the public will like your car, and you'll only hold their attention for about 10 minutes at best before they're bored of it.
As well as the fact that that the 'show car' scene seems to be well out of vogue at the moment...

Unless you've got a really good reason to do so, I reckon you're better off sticking to one aspect of the car, rather than going for a 'jack of all trades'. I'd rather spend half as much on two different cars that did a specific thing well, rather than one car that didnt really do anything spectacularly well. And you dont get to do anything nearly as fun with a show car, and you dont really get any amazing level of exposure either.
You'd get just as much exposure building a car to go really well at superlap, or drifting, or drags, or... whatever. People are just as interested to see what is needed to make a good drift car, or superlap car etc. Rather than a car with a gratuitous display of speakers, TV screens, fibreglass and chrome.

Just my opinion, which you probably dont want to hear.

As a useful contribution to this thread however, I say go with a 2JZGTE setup. Definitely has more 'wow' factor than a turbo altezza engine.

[DeeCee]

Cheers Roman.

For me its not just the show factor. Its more about having some fun and seeing if I can pull off some crazy ideas I have more than anything else. The practical side and engineering is what interests me over having some blinged out ricer. And since i'm redoing a lot of different areas of a car, why not do it up a bit? Others can think i'm a complete nutter (phreak recently said obsessive..) or just plain ol' stupid - oh well.

I don't tend to talk about it but i've been thinking about an electric car.. so really this is in a way a primer for what could be an even bigger build.. a whole car.. from scratch. Sure its a lofty goal, but why not?

And yes - I agree with having cars to do specific jobs.. hence why I bought a Lada Niva and turned it into an SPL car. I have my SQ car and my SPL car. But then again, I don't want 3-4 cars sitting around either.

I'm concentrating and looking on potential of 2jzgte at the mo and when the dinosaurs/plant matter in the ground will run out..

[DeeCee]

People are just as interested to see what is needed to make a good drift car, or superlap car etc. Rather than a car with a gratuitous display of speakers, TV screens, fibreglass and chrome.

uh.. i don't plan on blinging my car or doing stupid shit like putting random scuba tanks into the back seat of a car with branding on them to "look cool" nor does fitting bucket seats into the back look particular interesting to me.

subtle design elements is more my thing

[mjrstar]

people will tell me this is a rubbish idea but how about buying a 1gfe powered altezza and dropping a 1ggte in it?

[barryogen]

people will tell me this is a rubbish idea but how about buying a 1gfe powered altezza and dropping a 1ggte in it?

Thats what my mrs has(1gfe altezza), they're cool, no where near as peaky as the 3sge one. Would prefer a 1ggze in it though...

I would think that the 1gfe Altezza, being a straigh 6, would be a bit easier to swap a 1/2jz into when the time comes, although having never taken on an engine swap, I'm not certain on that either.

[RunningRich]

I'd never put an 80's engine in a 90's car. It would be a huge step backwards in technology. Go 1JZ at the least.

[Lloyd]

Pfff, 1G-GE with sidedrafts