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Postby ~SlideWays~ » Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:12 pm

True-No-Turbo wrote:
gasman wrote:send it to justinsue@hotmail.com do i just load it onto the link as per the instructions?


lol, wheres you're manners man?. you do realise it can cost alot of $$$ in dyno time to build a map from scratch, you should be very thankful the guy offered it to you!

I would only give it to mates I know, everyone else can pay!!!!!


Was thinking the same thing. Jeremy, you and I have all paid big dollars for our tunes...thought that comment was a bit on the thankless side :?

Generally a good tune through speedtech costs $1k+ for a turbo 4age tuned from scratch, thats without any hiccups or other work.
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Postby themaleman » Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:29 pm

lol ill be getting mine tunded at speedsource anyway but if someone has a good map i could use till then i would be very thankfull, n shout a box of beers in good spirit
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Postby flygt4 » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:02 pm

thats why i said its normal to bribe people for their maps :lol:
if you think about it, if someone lends you their map to get started, then depending in how close to your setup it is , they just saved you a couple of hours in dyno time at least, so at least 200-300$ , probly more.

my first tune from scratch was probly near 1k inc road tuning etc. my second state of tune was damn dear a full retune too, so that would have been close to that again. additionally, you usually find issues at dyno that chew up time+money. (misfires etc etc)

hence why i said anybody who gets given a map to get started should realise what they are being given and reciprocate appropriately :wink:
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Postby gasman » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:27 pm

fair enough i guess, just wanted to make things go as smoothly as possible for my tune at speedtec on the 14th because im headding back down to chch the week after so cant afford any mishaps. also im expecting the end maps to be quite different to someone elses since every little thing makes a difference
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Postby Crucible » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:34 pm

I gave my map to a mate who has a gtz turbo just recently. Its exactly the same setup as my car SP ZE, injectors, pump, G3 etc. He had another place do the install. They loaded my map onto his Link and its now all up and running sweet.

He enquired how much to get it checked and tidied up on the dyno and he was quoted around a $1000.00!!!. How can they justify that when he has exactely the same setup as me?, If he runs the same fuel pressure as me with 1;1 reg the only thing that may need checking would be base timing? I mean you'd want the A/F checked aswell but faaark, I thought that was a bit steep....

lucky he knows someone with a wideband, so hes just gonna borrow that and check it on the road.
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Postby gasman » Tue Feb 05, 2008 7:38 pm

around $1000 is what speedtec said it would cost from sctrach but im expecting to pay a bit more incase shit happens, which it often does with me
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Postby IH8TEC » Tue Feb 05, 2008 8:34 pm

True-No-Turbo wrote:I gave my map to a mate who has a gtz turbo just recently. Its exactly the same setup as my car SP ZE, injectors, pump, G3 etc. He had another place do the install. They loaded my map onto his Link and its now all up and running sweet.

He enquired how much to get it checked and tidied up on the dyno and he was quoted around a $1000.00!!!. How can they justify that when he has exactely the same setup as me?, If he runs the same fuel pressure as me with 1;1 reg the only thing that may need checking would be base timing? I mean you'd want the A/F checked aswell but faaark, I thought that was a bit steep....

lucky he knows someone with a wideband, so hes just gonna borrow that and check it on the road.


thats a rip, when i go take mine for a quick tidy up re-check afr, i'm expecting around the 2-300 mark, if that.
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Postby flygt4 » Wed Feb 06, 2008 9:16 am

the only reason my second tune was so expensive is i changed the turbo and it radically altered the required fuelling throughout the entire rev range. a normal tune touch up shouldnt be more than a couple of hours on the dyno and a quick roadtune.

gasman, i'd take spare coils, leads, sparkplugs that you know are good, chuck em in the boot in case they need them. something always goes wrong.
also make sure your wastegate isnt venting onto your o2 sensor, i did that first time and they had to weld a new bung further back in the exhaust for the wideband. :oops:

trueno_turbo thats a real rip, wonder who it was that quoted that? if the fuel system and setup is almost the same, the only real touchup requireds would be coming on and off boost to allow for different turbos.
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Postby 2jayzgte » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:23 am

If your in Auckland I would go to 2 places maybe Soichi@ST-Hitec or Robin@Torque Performance I have not heard to many bad things about these 2 tuners over the years.I don't no what they'd be like price wise but I no a few people who have used them and a thorughly pleased of how there cars ran after they had been tuned by these 2 tuners.
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Postby Crucible » Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:20 pm

IH8TEC wrote: i'm expecting around the 2-300 mark, if that.


yeah thats more like it aye!

flygt4 wrote:trueno_turbo thats a real rip, wonder who it was that quoted that? if the fuel system and setup is almost the same, the only real touchup requireds would be coming on and off boost to allow for different turbos.


We just finished checking his gt-z with a Innovate wideband down port road, it wasnt too bad had 12.4 AF @15psi, but was quite rich at idle, around 10.5!, we tryed staggering the fuel map down a bit around where the scope was but it didnt make any diff at all? will have to ask someone about that....
It had knock too, so we dropped the timing back around boost rpm on PC link and it seems fine now. It took us a couple of hours roadtuning and pi**ing around but nows its mint!

Man those widebands are neat toys!, I really want one now! :D
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Postby IH8TEC » Wed Feb 06, 2008 5:26 pm

True-No-Turbo wrote:
flygt4 wrote:trueno_turbo thats a real rip, wonder who it was that quoted that? if the fuel system and setup is almost the same, the only real touchup requireds would be coming on and off boost to allow for different turbos.


We just finished checking his gt-z with a Innovate wideband down port road, it wasnt too bad had 12.4 AF @15psi, but was quite rich at idle, around 10.5!, we tryed staggering the fuel map down a bit around where the scope was but it didnt make any diff at all? will have to ask someone about that....
It had knock too, so we dropped the timing back around boost rpm on PC link and it seems fine now. It took us a couple of hours roadtuning and pi**ing around but nows its mint!

Man those widebands are neat toys!, I really want one now! :D


what was the timing like down low though, as you should alter both to suit. probably knocking on his because might be more engine wear or something.

i wouldn't mind getting one also, good for just checking after little changes. innovate ones seem to be pretty good price nowadays.
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Postby Crucible » Wed Feb 06, 2008 6:37 pm

IH8TEC wrote:
what was the timing like down low though, as you should alter both to suit. probably knocking on his because might be more engine wear or something.

i wouldn't mind getting one also, good for just checking after little changes. innovate ones seem to be pretty good price nowadays.


Yeah innovate ones seem to be quite well known,reliable etc..

we did set the cas back a bit cos it was knocking hard out. not sure if the link is synced to the cas??, we never had a light. he knows a guy with some tuning gear, borrowed his headphone set WB etc.
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Postby cat007 » Mon Feb 25, 2008 9:29 pm

Kent is the man!
He's tuned a 1G-GTE with a link to about 280rwkw - and reliable.
Gavin at Hi velocity got me 183rwkw @ 14psi.
Kent got me 170rwkw at 7psi......

I'm running now 240rwkw at 16psi thanks to Kent. The only thing holding us back was an exhaust leak and crappy intercooler pipes blowing off - otherwise he'd be able to get a lot more out of it.

He's really knowledgable, friendly and gives you great advice on future mods/changes etc.

He's currently got my mates 1.5JZ Supra to over 500rwkw.

This guy knows his stuff!

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Postby mjrstar » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:42 pm

True-No-Turbo wrote:
IH8TEC wrote: i'm expecting around the 2-300 mark, if that.




We just finished checking his gt-z with a Innovate wideband down port road, it wasnt too bad had 12.4 AF @15psi, but was quite rich at idle, around 10.5!, we tryed staggering the fuel map down a bit around where the scope was but it didnt make any diff at all? will have to ask someone about that....
It had knock too, so we dropped the timing back around boost rpm on PC link and it seems fine now. It took us a couple of hours roadtuning and pi**ing around but nows its mint!

Man those widebands are neat toys!, I really want one now! :D


the wideband will not be that accurate at idle as it's probably not getting hot enough to give a true reading.
They need serious tempreture to read correctly.
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Postby QikStarlie » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:25 pm

no they dont, they are heated. and the innovate stuff with throw and error code if the sensor is too cold or too hot.
10.5 will be the correct reading. some engines like to be richer at idle, than cruise. but no need to be that rich.
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Postby johntramp » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:00 pm

why is it only megasquirt users who tune their own cars?
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Postby johntramp » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:00 pm

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Postby johntramp » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:10 pm

oops. tripple post :roll:
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Postby sergei » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:10 pm

johntramp wrote:why is it only megasquirt users who tune their own cars?

Because only megasquirt users built their own ECUs ;).
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Postby johntramp » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:13 pm

but building and tuning are completely different. at that price for tuning i would think more people would be keen to do it their self.
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