Converting AE101 Levin to Blactop 4age

[Loudtoy]

putting the stock airbox back in with a K&N filter would be my first step
they lose power with pods

Prove it, mine gained about 2.5 kw back to back panel filter v pod but it wasn't just you standard bolt the pod onto an adaptor on the afm setup and before you say it wouldn't be worth the effort if you can do it all yourself the effort is minimal and so is the outlay, mine cost $$70 all up including the pod but of course that was when gas only cost 99c a litre for 96
AFM Doesn't block them up as much as you think - if you know someone who's good with them and you have access to a lambda link or similar you can actually take a couple of tuns out of the cog the flap runs on and lean them out abit without spending money on the computer (good for another 5kw that i played with mine on a dyno) and of course the exhaust, some people will tell ya they need backpressure but so long as i had my one it ran the best and had the most power (89kw quiet/restrictive exhaust, 93kw headers to straight pipe to muffler only, 94kw open exhaust ie headers and piece over xmember only). Not sure what the exhaust did as i didn't do a before and after test when i got it put on originally so i only had free flowing and restrive but both after market.
Do computer once you've done the 3 standard things and go from there

[Mr Revhead]

nothing ever needs back pressure
so you gained some peak power
what was your midrange torque like?

the single biggest let down on the silvertop is the stock tune
putting in a tunable ecu and getting a good tune will gain you more power per $$ spent than anything else.
of course if you improve other areas you will gain even more.

[Loudtoy]

nothing ever needs back pressure
so you gained some peak power
what was your midrange torque like?

the single biggest let down on the silvertop is the stock tune
putting in a tunable ecu and getting a good tune will gain you more power per $$ spent than anything else.
of course if you improve other areas you will gain even more.

True, it also depends on how many times you can afford to get someone to tune it for you.
I was merely suggesting some things he might like to do before the computer as if he does them after he will need to go and get it retuned - unless of course he can do his own tuning or knows enough about it to have a crack at it himself. Mega squirts are very easy to play with, thats what i would recomend to anyone thinking about something diy.
PS My mid range torque was up slightly and much much flatter, not the big holes you normally see in the silvertop torque graphs

[AceSniper]

best money spent cams, stuff this ecu crap.... let the afm feel how much more air its getting ohh an ditch vvt BS

[Mr Revhead]

[DXROLLA]

Which ones are which? Can you tell what type you have without removing them?

[Mr Revhead]

bottoms ones are the better
and unfortunately the only way to tell is to remove them

[DXROLLA]

Whats the SARD ecu you have revhead? Ive heard of sard FPR but not ECUs

[Mr Revhead]

had, no longer have the car

was an ECU modified by SARD to take a reprogrammable chip.
hard to find, and not cheap when you do, if the owner knows what they are.

[Crampy]

had, no longer have the car

was an ECU modified by SARD to take a reprogrammable chip.
rare as rocking horse $hit, and not cheap when you do, if the owner knows what they are.

Fixed.

[frost]

blitz also do a chip type ecu, here is my.


blity, sard, mines, toda, tom's, c-one, i.mec, buddy club, bee racing, CSR, jam, zero racing, to name a few from japan. not a rare as you'd think only hard to get because where so far away.

[BZR4AGE]

frost, is that blitz one a AE111 blacktop ECU? if it is it used to be mine LOL. I sold it on trademe a few years back....something like 5 years ago or something

[frost]

yes it is, i had a feeling it was from someone on TS, just never followed the clues until now,

im getting a friend to remap the eprom when i finish building the second engine, that is if he can get the software or codes or something out of japan,
if not then the neo will have to do.

[DXROLLA]

Will an apexi neo be a good upgrade? Or would i need something a bit more programable to get decent gains, such as the above or a link ect?

[matt dunn]

bottoms ones are the better
and unfortunately the only way to tell is to remove them

Nope, incorrect.


You can tell by the throttle linkages, single or double action arm as long as it has not been mixed and matched.


And the BT is far superior to the ST,
not all in the outright power,
but in the midrange the BT beats the ST by miles and miles.

[Mr Revhead]

nope, not correct
have looked through that, have seen several on both types off wrecks.
When I was supplying them the only way to tell was to pull them off and look


[quote="matt dunnAnd the BT is far superior to the ST,
not all in the outright power,
but in the midrange the BT beats the ST by miles and miles.[/quote]

but on what, we are talking stock or near stock 20vs here.

[matt dunn]

but on what, we are talking stock or near stock 20vs here.

Yeah, stock for stock.


Mid range on our BZT wagon is way better than Chris's old ST 20V levin,
and most of the other std 20v's i have driven.
ST's have a severe lack of mid range, where the BT is better.

How much power does each make at 4000rpm?

[Mr Revhead]

oh i think you have the wrong end of the stick here....
we were talking purely about the suitibility of the ITB's.... not the whole engine. i wasnt saying the s/t pisses on the blacktop


and yeah, the s/t has a dirty great hole in the midrange, which can be improved hugely with tuneable ECU. that honestly turns them into a completly different car.

[Bazda]

Blacktop all the way.
Head out flows the ST head by MILES.

Maybe not so much felt in stock form but if you were to put in cams, OS valves etc etc you will get a far better % gain than a ST head.

[Mr Revhead]

well, not every one agrees with that many ppl would rather work with the s/t's better combustion chamber