Getting the old toyotas beating nissans in drifting?

[MrDori]

Im keen to get into my drifting, Why does nissan dominate when it comes to drifting?

Ive a gx61 toyota mark II corona, ive just completed a 1ggte motor transplant with w57 box, prolly gana run a locked f series diff.

Ive put a bar and plate i/c on and it goes fairly well.

i wana start drifting better than my friends in there laurels and 180s etc.

What can i do people?

Mike

[johntramp]

it sounds like you are "getting into your drifting" for all the wrong reasons.

[Just_Juzz]

I think that it comes down to skill, not car choice.

And the fact that nissans are used is :

1. Personal Choice
2. Most are light, rear wheel drive stock vehicles. The only rear wheel drive vehicles that other companys make are usually to heavy.

(RX-7, supra etc.)

Just my opinion.

[Leon]

Nissan seems to have a better range when it comes to medium to long wheelbase rwd cars that come out of the factory with a reasonable amount of turbo fed horsepower, but don't weigh several tons.

Whatever floats your boat, it is just a matter of throwing money at a car until it does what you want. You just need to decide what you want to throw your money at.

[NA Drifter]

Nissans are everywhere.. cheap if u dig a panel or dig the whole car... like $500 for a shell for Cefiro etc... Most Nissans are just like possum! They are everywhere, killed one today, and there is alot more out there..
They are cheap nasty thing. use your imagination.. they really have alot in common.

Possum;
They are fast and powerfull compare to other animals, yet easy to find.

AE86 are like Kiwi bird,
Very rare, overyones like them.. well most peoples, endanger, getting less and less, they not fast, can't fly or climb tree, they just small and nibble.

[GorGasm]

The problem with toyotas is they lack all the performance ability that the equivalent nissan has. The silvia,laurel,skyline,180,whatever are all relatively light, have a good suspension setup, come with factory with LSDs and can pretty much slide straight off the bat.

Toyotas on the other hand often dont have LSD, are often heavy and often have lack lustre suspension.

The engines are fine, its just the rest of the package that kills them.

86's still do well though.

So if you want to drift, do you take the car that will require less work to get sideways or take the one that will require a complete overhaul?

[Malcolm]

it sounds like you are "getting into your drifting" for all the wrong reasons.

Please educate me, what are the 'right' reasons for getting in to drifting?

[RS13]

I'm wanting to get into drifting, as at this stage, its' a cheap way to get into motorsport. I think wanting to do it to 'drift better than my mates' is stupid.

Regarding the thread topic, Nissan rwd/turbos are everywhere, and super cheap. Why would you drift an AE86, when a GTSt or S13 or Cefiro are often much cheaper, and are a much better starting point? Toyota don't make much else within that price range that I'd be comfortable thrashing around a track with..

That said too, your Corona is a 20-25 year old design, whereas say, a 1991 Skyline is technologically far superior, with a much tighter chassis, and better suspension layout, I'd take the Nissan anyday. D1GP guys like Ueo may do pretty well with their low-powered AE86s, but they have six-figure budgets, and have to rebuild motors after each D1 round!

[Undertow]

Okay.

-Get some king springs KTFL26s and KTRL31s.
-Get some Heavy duty KYB Gas-a-just rear shocks
-KYB front shocks.
-Lock that diff. Your car should be F series so just lock it if it's open.
-Get some octane boost, big as exhaust and filter.
-Get some grippy 205s on the front and 14/195/60s stretched over a 7.5 inch rim
-Get some drift DVDs and pay attention to "drifting before the corner"

Now drive it like you mean it. Go.

[johntramp]

it sounds like you are "getting into your drifting" for all the wrong reasons.

Please educate me, what are the 'right' reasons for getting in to drifting?

for enjoyment, not to just be the best

[strx7]

I think that it comes down to skill, not car choice.

And the fact that nissans are used is :

1. Personal Choice
2. Most are light, rear wheel drive stock vehicles. The only rear wheel drive vehicles that other companys make are usually to heavy.

(RX-7, supra etc.)

Just my opinion.

rx7's are heavy? WTF are you smoking?

[RS13]

RX7's aren't heavy! Hahaha. Its just, with such a short wheelbase, they're damn twitchy, and with a more linear power delivery than a piston equivalent, you need to drive them pretty hard to get results..

[deaf_rattle]

for enjoyment, not to just be the best

alot of people do things to be the best....

[gmacrae]

RX7's aren't heavy! Hahaha. Its just, with such a short wheelbase, they're damn twitchy, and with a more linear power delivery than a piston equivalent, you need to drive them pretty hard to get results..

hate to break it to ya, but their wheelbase isnt short either, longer than an 86 thats for sure. The problem with the rx7 is just the engine lol (though it does make them quite light), bugger trying to keep one of them reliable in a drift car, sure, its possible, at a price.

The idea that the toyotas have a shit suspension setup compared to the nissans is rubbish also. Have you even seen the stock suspension on a r32? it aint nothing special.... A soarer or chaser on the other hand. cheap as chips, much better engine (jz engines own nissans), lock the diff, throw in a w58, no traction means you wont break it, not too heavy if its stripped out. If i was getting into D1, it'd be in a soarer, or maybe a high k n/a mkiv supra with a 1jz or 1uz.

[gmacrae]

and Mike, take undertow's advice, you'll be set

[deaf_rattle]

rotary motors arent that light....
infact i believe the 1uz weighs less than a 13b

[neon_spork]

rotary motors are short and site quite far back which gives the rx7 that nice balance that people will tell you about but a 13b is reasoanbly heavy.

I just googled the overall weight, a 1996 rx7 seems to be between 1260kg and 1280gk

[strx7]

Series 5 RX7 13BT Manual = 1300kg
Series 6 RX7 13BT Manual = 1290kg
A31 Cefiro RB20DET Manual 2ws= 1370kg
R32 2wd 4dr Manual RB20DET = 1320kg
C33 2wd RB20DET auto = 1390kg

the lightest large toyota I can find is the JZX90 Chaser 1JZGTE Manual @ 1450kg

[RS13]

A31 Cefiro RB20DET Manual 2ws= 1370kg

Hahah, I drive a fat bastard! Mine is auto too (but not for long!), so I'd guess it would weigh even more than that. But then, heavy weight isn't such a bad thing, especially with a long wheelbase.. throwing it sideways and keeping it there is so much easier, less chance of it snapping around on the edge. I've driven a LOT of rwd/turbo cars, and Cefiros are still my personal favourite for handling characteristics.

[strx7]

yeah, different wheel bases are good for certain things. too shorter wheel base makes a vehicle nervous, but can turn on a dime.

So who's going to be first to take a LIMO to a drift event?