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help ID these redtop parts/wires please! [pics]

Postby l1ttle_d3vil » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:36 am

Well I have just equipped myself with another project: a redtop 4age out of a 1987 AE92, a T50 gearbox and a whooole lot of wiring (that’s the bad part)!! So now I am trying to familiarise myself with the redtop wiring (I know the blue top stuff inside out after my last project) so I’m hoping some people here can help me out with some of this stuff.

Hopefully most of it is pretty straightfoward. Basically as I don’t have the rest of the car or the car loom I don’t know what is supposed to be on the other side of some of these plugs – and thats what I need to know, along with what a few of the new boxes, sensors and things do.

Injector, coil and igniter system

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First of all, I take it these two yellow plugs go together as they are the only two similar ones on the loom.
next thing...the red/white and the red/black wires go straight from the yellow plug to the injectors. The black/orange wire comes from the yellow plug to the igniter, coil and blue plug and ends up at this black plug - #1.

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So my questions are:
1. What is the silver box on the side of the igniter?
2. What is the blue plug for? A resistor or something of some sort?
3. Do I just run 12V IGN to the black/orange wire off the black plug to power the whole lot up [injectors, igniter and coil]? I’m guessing the silver box is a regulator type thing which “collects” the power from the black/orange wire and runs it back down to the injectors at a suitable voltage – or something along those lines.


Coldstart/STA signals
There are also two black/white wires coming from plug #1 (shown above)
They are wired up to the STA pin of the ECU and then run to the cold-start injector (on manifold) and also to the cold-start sensor (at back of head) and end up going to a black spade terminal - #2.

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1.What goes to the black - white wires on plug #1? 12V IGN or an earth? and can these just be wired up together (they go to separate terminals on the plug)
2.What is the black spade terminal for? Do I need to run anything to it?


Idle up system

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This little black thing has two wires coming out of it: a green/white wire and a black wire with orange dots. The green/white wire goes straight to the yellow plug - #3.
The black/orange wire also goes to plug #3, but also to the VISC pin on the ECU, then it runs down to the idle-up plug/valve thing.

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1. What is the black box thing for? [just out of curiosity]
2. What do I do with the green/white wire and the black/orange wire on plug #3 - Power? Earth? Or give them the chop and forget about them altogether? :-D


and while I’m talking about the yellow plug...
...there are also two separate wires (light green and then blue/black with orange dots) which go directly to the little black box labelled “DIAGNOSTICS”. Do I need these? Will it cause any problems if they aren’t connected to anything?

and...
...another minor issue I have is there is a green plug on the loom for the Manifold Air Temp– except on the manifold there is no sensor for the air temp – and no where for one to go!! Are these different to the bluetop manifolds and are these sensors in a different place on a redtop or what?
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Postby Jebus » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:40 am

In the first pic, the item with the yellow plug is the injector resistor, for high impedance injectors, the blue one is emissions bullshit, that I did away with on my one.
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Postby l1ttle_d3vil » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:42 am

damn that was quick. partially solved already :lol: so I need that resistor for the redtop injectors? and it won't effect anything if I get rid of the blue plug and wires to it? lets plugs and wiring and crap the better :D
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Postby sergei » Tue Mar 14, 2006 10:55 am

The resistor is actually for low impeadance (2Ohm vs 13Ohm) I know that there are two low impeadance for 4AGE (1Ohm and 2Ohm) so this resistor (I assume) is for 2Ohm ones.
Blue plug/black box is actually capacitor/EMF filter should be next to ignitor/coil (I guess it is connected to +12V wich is feedeng ignitor and other pin is connected to ground).
The idle up black box looks like a diode.
I will tell you more once I get home and look into my 4AGE manual, can't remember from my head, it was a year ago when I last time rewired a 16v...
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Postby l1ttle_d3vil » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:15 am

sergei wrote:(I guess it is connected to +12V wich is feedeng ignitor and other pin is connected to ground).


will the ignitor have no power if I do away with this blue plug and the EMF filter then?
or do you mean it is connected to the same +12V which also feeds the ignitor?

i just need to make sure I understand everything clearly before I go cutting wires that I will end up needing :lol: that never helps the situation much...
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Postby sergei » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:22 am

that capacitor is connected in parallel to ignitor (ie it feed from same +12v), I have not noticed in any difference at all with it connected or disconnected on my ST165. I just left it there as is...
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Postby l1ttle_d3vil » Tue Mar 14, 2006 2:23 pm

cool; so I just need to conect 12V+ from the IGN to the black/orange wire to power the whole lot of that stuff up...so thats the injector, coil and igniter wiring sorted...any info on the rest? :lol:
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Re: help ID these redtop parts/wires please! [pics]

Postby matt dunn » Wed Mar 15, 2006 11:33 pm

What goes to the black - white wires on plug #1? 12V IGN or an earth? and can these just be wired up together (they go to separate terminals on the plug)
2.What is the black spade terminal for? Do I need to run anything to it?

The black/white are the starter signal from the key.

#2 connects onto the starter motor
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