celica question

[tech128]

hey guys im currently wanting to buy
a 94 to 95 celica st205 shape but not gt4
i want one with the 2l 3sge motor and manual

was just wondering what ss1 ss2 an ss3 aero spec
i hav noticed that some have side skirts and spoilers
and so on

but must be some more info on all the kinds

[Adydas]

To start with you want to look for a ST202

[soven]

ss1 = 3sfe engine 140bhp (standard base model)
ss2 = 3sge (red valve cover beams engine is 200~hp while the normal 3sge is 180hp)
ss3 = same as ss2 with some additional exterior stuff at a guess and also silver interior etc etc.(?)

things to look out for is 96+ i think has the facelifted front bumper and different steering wheel.

Also look out for superstrut. ss1 comes with macpherson struts while ss2 has a chance of getting superstrut. ss3 from what I believe is all superstrut. Do a search on it.

[nobody]

Hi

The 3SGE celicas have the model number ST202, the GTFour is the ST205.

The 93-99 celicas are known as 6th generation celicas and have different specs based on where they were sold.

In most non-japanese markets the celicas had low powered 2.2L engines - in NZ it was know as the GS.

The Japanese domestic market (JDM) celicas had the model names SS1 SS2, SS3 and GTFour. Happily, because we are also a right hand drive country and are allowed to import japanese cars, we also get these models in NZ (from my experience the SS celicas are a lot more common than the GS's).

The SS1 had the 3SFE engine (more ecomony based)
The SS2 had the 3SGE engine
The SS3 had the 3SGE engine and from December 1997 was fitted with the 3SGE BEAMS engine.

BEAMS (Breakthrough Engine with Advanced Mechanism System) which among other engine improvements has Toyota's version of varible valve timing (VVTi) on the intake valves.

This link has good descriptions of VVTi: http://www.toyota.com/html/help/glossary.html

A BEAMS engine is easy to identify since the BEAMs has a large red cover on the top of the engine and an emblem that says BEAMS on it - the picture in this link: http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~formura1/HP%20image/CELICA5.jpg shows the BEAMS 3SGE. This site: http://www.toyotaparts.co.nz/celica/page7.html shows the non-beams 3SGE (SSII) and 3SFE (SSI).

I have also heard that some rare SSII's came in a BEAMS VVTi option, though I have only seen these on the web and never in real life.

There is also a 3SGE BEAMS Black Top which has Dual VVTi (intake and exhaust) which is currently found in the Altezza RS200s.

Since you've asked about the 3SGE celicas I'll focus more on them:

The SSIII is 10Kg heavier at 1210Kg than the SSII (1200Kg). SSIII's also came standard with Super Strut suspension which is Toyota's attempt at improving on the Macpherson Strut setup - Super Strut was an upgrade option in the SSII as well. It may be due to the Super Strut suspension that the SSIII's minimum turning radius is greater at 5.5 metres, compared to the SSII's 5.2 metres.

In 1996 the 6th gen celica had a facelift, with a different front bumper (where the indicators become clear and the fog lights are in their own compartments in the bumper). The rear lights also changed with the lights having a smoother all in one look and the indicators changed to clear with an orange lens.

The SSIII's appeared around late 1996 just after the facelift of the 6gc and from late 1997 on most have the Projector Headlights as standard equipment.

The SSIII reportedly consumes 10% (approx) less fuel (VVTi more economical?) and the SSIII interior was updated a little with new fabric design on the seats and doors (with a red fleck instead of blue?) and some SSIIIs had the 'White gauges with Orange needle' option installed. There are also some SSIIIs with a lighter, silvery colour on the centre front console (around where the stereo is).

Externally, SSIIIs can also come with an uprated spoiler package (this maybe what some dealers are calling the aero spec) including side skirts and front & rear bumper extensions and spoiler posts raising the rear spoiler up just like a GTFOUR, except they had an SSIII badge on them.

The celica handbook info on the SSIII:

General Info:

Length: 4505mm (177.36 inches)
Width: 1750mm (68.9 inches)
Height: 1305mm (51.38 inches)
Weight: 1210Kg (2668 pounds)
Minimum Turning Radius: 5.5m

Engine Model: 3S-GE VVT-i
Engine Type: Straight (inline) 4 Cylinder DOHC 16 Valve
Displacement: 1998cc
Max Power: 200ps/7000rpm (which is 197hp/147kw according to this site: http://www.mr2ownersclub.com/converter.htm)
Max Torque: 21.0kg.m/6000rpm
0-100 km/h ~ < 8.1s (since a non-BEAMs SSII's time is 8.1 - based on this site: http://linjin.mine.nu/celica.htm )
Compression: 11.0:1
Fuel System: EFI (Electronic fuel injection system)
Fuel Tank Capacity: 60L
Fuel Type: Premium Unleaded (100 RON)
Steering: Engine speed-sensing variable-assist power rack-and-pinion
Engine Oil Capacity: 4.0L (4.5L with filter replacement)
Coolant Capacity: 6.9L

These are pics of the SSIII with the projector headlights, optional spoiler pack including side skirts, front and rear bumper extensions (splitters) and the raised rear spoiler:




Hope this helps.

[XERO]

the 'Beams' Red top with single vvti is only found in the Celicas, MR2's and Caldina GT's

The beams 'Black Top' is the engine in all Altezza RS200's

[nobody]

the 'Beams' Red top with single vvti is only found in the Celicas, MR2's and Caldina GT's

The beams 'Black Top' is the engine in all Altezza RS200's

Ah, thanks for that - I've fixed my post accordingly

[tech128]

cheers so much guys
theres so much info there
jus what i was after think i will save me pennys
and get a ss3
that white one looks mean as

[XERO]

White is always good

And the beams engined cars are great, they can be ecnomical, or they can be fun...

Good luck finding a good one!!

[sergei]

We have one at work, manual too which is for sale

[Punter]

BEAMS (Breakthrough Engine with Advanced Mechanism System)

Big old at what beams stands for.

[KinLoud]

Look at the build plate on the firewall under the bonnet.
Look at the transaxle code - if it says something like E56-06C, the C at the end means you have an LSD.
If it is A or B it is not LSD.

Ken
Ham
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