Commonly Availiable 3S-GTE Turbo Mid/Upgrade??

[KE25-KP30]

Hey all, just doing some thinking here and thought I'd ask if any of you have any ideas... I picked up a 3S-GTE a while back, only thing is, the turbo's shot on it. What I'm wondering is, the plan being on converting to rear drive, I'm going to have to make a new exhaust manifold, but I wanted at this stage to keep the engine essentially stock.

Do I get another CT26 and have a CT26 flanged manifold, or do I get another commonly availiable turbo and have the flange made up for that, meaning that later on down the track, if/when I do want to upgrade, I won't need to change or remake the exhaust manifold?

Whatever the case, please throw in any ideas and suggestions for me to ponder on and look at prices/availiability!

Much Appreciated

[solitaire]

ct20b? Seem to be quite cheap on trademe....

[strx7]

find a manifold with a T3 flange pattern, then you have a HUGE range of options. Or get a TD05H (evo1/2/3) with a larger compressor.

[TWSTD]

I found my TD05/6 MSE turbo was a GREAT match for the 3SGTE in my caldina

[WCKWGN]

i put on a garret gt25 ball bearing turbo .
does the trick quite good .
i got my old manifold and turbo , in the for sale with pics , if you after a replacement for a gen3 manifold of st215 caldina . steel wheel , solid as, no shaft play, 5 hundy and it is yours. cheaper than a custom manifold and turbo . not as much fun, but save you ping , even it was a short term option until you wanted to upgrade

my build cost were , 2k turbo , 6 hund wastegate - turbonetics evolution 38mm , FMIC 400 hund + piping + manifold + labour????

[KE25-KP30]

Awesome, cheers for all the replies, exactly what I was looking for.

WCKWGN, thanks for the offer, but will probably pass for now, just looking at all the options!

TWSTD, what's MSE? I googled it and all it came up with was yours!!

Thanks again!

[Dell'Orto]

Motorsport Engineering - Steve Murch. He builds all kinds of crazy hybrid turbos.
Easiest upgrade is a CT20B, bolts straight up and makes a fair wack more power straight away.

[TWSTD]

Correct - MSE is Motorsport Engineering. We are "agents" so to speak - as MSE dont like to deal with the public quite often

[KE25-KP30]

Aha, nice.

Yeah from what I've read CT20B seems to be a nice bolt on upgrade, only if I was making a new manifold I'd think seriously about changing the flange to an "easier upgrade at a later option" flange.

Will keep thinking and looking into it!

Cheers guys.

[dougsop]

i think a t3/t4 is a good idea, because you will have more option there.
if you go for a CT20b now and want to change to another one later on its going to cause more hassle

[Phothog]

Aha, nice.

Yeah from what I've read CT20B seems to be a nice bolt on upgrade, only if I was making a new manifold I'd think seriously about changing the flange to an "easier upgrade at a later option" flange.
Cheers guys.

What about making your manifold to suit the CT26b/CT26 flange, and when you are good & ready to upgrade, chop off the CT20b/CT26 flange & weld on the "what ever" flange you want.

its one way around it.

Chris.

[KE25-KP30]

Hmm, I had thought about T3 option, I'm not up on them, but I've heard there is a big range of turbos/options with that flange.

Phothog, I had also wondered about that too, and If it's all good just to cut the flanges off, I think I'd probably go that way. At least with a factory turbo, I know what I'm dealing with whilst getting it up and running. i.e Not trying to sort turbo issues at the same time!

Cheers again

[MikeMan]

IF you are building a custom manifold and need another turbo anyway then go T3 IMHO.

This will give you a WIDE range of turbos that will bolt up without any issues.

[evil_si]

What about making your manifold to suit the CT26b/CT26 flange, and when you are good & ready to upgrade, chop off the CT20b/CT26 flange & weld on the "what ever" flange you want.

its one way around it.

Chris.

not quite as easy as that,
different turbos sit differently and require different clearances,
CT26's are pretty odd ball compared to most other styles
it can be done sometimes, but often more hassle than its worth,

do it right to start, a decent T3/4 or TD05/6 will do the job nicely

[KE25-KP30]

Mmm, I wondered if that was the case evil_si.

What engines came factory with a T3 (or TD05/6 for that matter) option that would work as a cost effective upgrade(but not so much that injectors, computer etc have to be changed - i.e dont know if I said it earlier, but planning on keeping stock computer for cost reasons!!)

Didn't the RB's have a T3 _____ on them? (Just so I'm saying it correctly, is it a T3 turbo, T3 based turbo, T3 flanged turbo?? Sorry )

[evil_si]

Mmm, I wondered if that was the case evil_si.

What engines came factory with a T3 (or TD05/6 for that matter) option that would work as a cost effective upgrade(but not so much that injectors, computer etc have to be changed - i.e dont know if I said it earlier, but planning on keeping stock computer for cost reasons!!)

Didn't the RB's have a T3 _____ on them? (Just so I'm saying it correctly, is it a T3 turbo, T3 based turbo, T3 flanged turbo?? Sorry )

stay away from nissan RB turbos, they are shit!! and small!
yes you are right they have a T3 flange but most are nissans own version of a T3 with ceramic turbine etc

a TD05 would be reasonable,
or save up 5-800 there are some reasaonable new turbos in that bracket

[KE25-KP30]

Beaut, thanks for that. It always seems to pay to talk to people who know!

Time to perhaps do a little more research into the world of TD05's

Cheers Again.

[TWSTD]

TD05 is the factory turbo on EVOs. There are a few variants, you want those that came on the evo 1-3 (latter ones run the other way). You could then run is std and we can arrange the TD06 upgrade at a later date if you wanted?

[KE25-KP30]

Nice, I had a little look and it looks like they come on VR4's to WRX's to Evo's and I don't know what else!

Thanks for clearing that up, will keep an eye out for an evo 1-3 version (which makes me think, aside from what the owner says, are there any markings/whatever which distinguish's each from another?), and def keep you in mind when time for an upgrade!

[matt dunn]

Nice, I had a little look and it looks like they come on VR4's to WRX's to Evo's and I don't know what else!

Thanks for clearing that up, will keep an eye out for an evo 1-3 version (which makes me think, aside from what the owner says, are there any markings/whatever which distinguish's each from another?), and def keep you in mind when time for an upgrade!

I researched it a wee bit and there are lots of differnt sizes.

VR4 ones are not as good as Evo 1 + 2,
and evo 1+2 are not as good as Evo 3.

Subaru ones are called the same but are different mounts so not as upgradeable?

Basically buy an Evo 3 one, some one will know what numbers you need on the comp housing.