Panhard rod with starlet 4 link?

[GDII]

Can a panhard rod be used with the KP61 triangulated 4 link rear end?

[nz_climber]

as far as I understand if its a proper triangulated 4link, then there should be no need for a panhard rod, as the top 2 links stop lateral movement of the diff..

[GDII]

as far as I understand if its a proper triangulated 4link, then there should be no need for a panhard rod, as the top 2 links stop lateral movement of the diff..

Well in this case they don't. Maybe the bushes need to be replaced with nolathane.

The car is very lose in the back.

What I should have said is, Would the panhard rod have any bad affects on the 4 link?

I understand how a 4 link works, a five link with panhard or watts link.

Would the panhard rod damage the inside trailing arms?

[Ant]

replace the bushes man. makes a huge difference im told.

[GDII]

I drove Burning Angels starlet today and it was very wobbly and felt odd.

Slight turn of the wheel and the car would just go all over the place.

Couldn't keep it straight.

Changing bushes would help as the are probably the original ones from 1984.

[QikStarlie]

yeh replacing bushes with something more solid will make a big diffrence. will never be as good as a proper 4 link with panhard or watts tho.

starlets are all over the place anyway, just adds to the fun

[Ant]

starlets are all over the place anyway, just adds to the fun

i concur...

[mjrstar]

Are there off-the-shelf urethane bushes for the back available or do they have tp be scratch built?
I'd also like to firm up the rear end on my car. It still has the original 1979 perished old rubber which doesn't feel so flash down the back straight at pukekohe at 230kph.
also many 'low' starlets seem to have very soft springs in the rear, this won't help the handling too much.

[GDII]

It has dobi lows in the back. But its not really that low. I never really got above 40-50kmh. Don't know as the speedo is not going yet.

I have driven the starlet with the 4k twice but that was 3 years ago and not very fast. And I'm not such a good driver lol. Well with faster cars anyway.

There are no nolathane bushes for starlet rear ends that my brother can get. He works at repco.

AE92 bushes might fit but not sure yet.

We were thinking rose joints but I think it would be easist to just put in a panhard rod. As the diff has a mount for it already. Just need to make a mount on the car.

[KinLoud]

A Panhard rod would help rear axle location a lot.
The triangulated 4 link setup doesn't really do a great job, however replacing the bushes will be a step in the right direction.

Ken
Ham
021 408 863

[GDII]

Putting in a panhard rod would easy.

AE92 nolathane bushes for the arms need some modification. They are 2-3mm too wide.

Not sure about the external size to fit in the arms. Need to go measure the car when I can. Then the back end should be more stable if we can use them.

I'm making it sound worse than it is tho. I'm used to my corolla with 4 turns lock to lock. The starlet has 3 turns making it more sensitive.

[QikStarlie]

a guy i know just done the rear bushes in his, he got something off the shelf for it. cant remember what or where from tho. will ask.

i made my own out of a stick of urathane, machined down on lathe to fit. as s end still doesnt fell quite right. yet alot better. altho i still need to replace 2 more as i ran out of urathane.

have seen panhard done before. could run into issues with it binding up. but with firm rear suspension, that doesnt see alot of travel. should be ok.

[Ant]

HERE: I CUT AND PASTE FROM CLUB-K

http://club-k.co.nz/Forums/viewthread.php?tid=10304

Took ages to hunt them down. You need the 8 x Nolothane (part number) 46211. You then need to get a new inner sleve made up to reduce the interior diameter down to 12mm (I think, just measure to be sure) for 4. These are for the lower bars. The upper bars use the standard sleves. Cost me in total $250 inc. GST from Wairau Suspension and Alignment on Curry's Lane. Very helpful crowd. Hope this helps.

Oh and it makes a massive difference over perished original rubber bushes, highly recommend it.

Ant

[Ant]

or chamberlands do them

[GDII]

IIRC there are smaller bolts and would have to get smaller inner metal parts.

Not hard to get made. Uncle has all the tools for that.

(have seen panhard done before. could run into issues with it binding up. but with firm rear suspension, that doesnt see alot of travel. should be ok.)

Yea I figured using a panhard rod would cause problems. Car has alot of travel in the back being a rally car.

Atm replacing bushes is the best thing to do. Later on might change to a five link and even go as far as a watts link. I know they are very good at holding the diff centred as it goes up and down.