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by **Brawler** » Mon May 02, 2011 8:57 pm

K so last night I welded in my rear strut brace onto the shock towers, Will it fail a warrent? Looking for a reason why, not a one worded answer

by **Grrrrrrr!** » Mon May 02, 2011 9:02 pm

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/virm- ... index.html

Go find answer

by **AWShev** » Mon May 02, 2011 9:05 pm

just had a look at the VIRM

its going 2 come down 2 the wof inspector as

Suspension braces (strut tower
braces)
• there are no structural changes to the body or suspension mounting points.

it will depend on if they consider welding a structural change

by **Brawler** » Mon May 02, 2011 9:12 pm

Grrrrrrr! wrote:http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/virm-in-service-certification/index.html

Go find answer

tbh that does not answer the topic question, that is of no use. soz

Shot AWShev, just what i was after, Might end up either cutting it off or just chuck a blanket over it for WOF lol

by **tsoob** » Mon May 02, 2011 9:16 pm

question is will it still do anything now is welded...

they are designed to have some flex between the towers, and help them to work together.

by **Mr Revhead** » Mon May 02, 2011 9:19 pm

tsoob wrote:question is will it still do anything now is welded...

they are designed to have some flex between the towers, and help them to work together.

wat

What kind of rear end set up does your car have? Mac strut?

by **Jdawg** » Mon May 02, 2011 9:32 pm

Are you a ticketed welder, that may be an out clause if WoF man does look and ask

by **tsoob** » Mon May 02, 2011 9:34 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:
tsoob wrote:question is will it still do anything now is welded...

they are designed to have some flex between the towers, and help them to work together.

wat

What kind of rear end set up does your car have? Mac strut?

yes.... is that not how they work?

by **Mr Revhead** » Mon May 02, 2011 9:35 pm

No, you do not need to be a certed welder to weld on a car.
If you weld suspension parts then you do need to get them cracked tested by an approved lab if you are not though

by **Mr Revhead** » Mon May 02, 2011 9:35 pm

tsoob wrote:
Mr Revhead wrote:
tsoob wrote:question is will it still do anything now is welded...

they are designed to have some flex between the towers, and help them to work together.

wat

What kind of rear end set up does your car have? Mac strut?

yes.... is that not how they work?

No, they are designed to stiffen things. Can't do that if they flex.

by **Malcolm** » Mon May 02, 2011 10:03 pm

to be fair, a lot of strut braces are so poorly designed that they do bugger all to add stiffness anyway

by **Mr Revhead** » Mon May 02, 2011 10:05 pm

Very true!

by **Brawler** » Mon May 02, 2011 10:19 pm

I welded it up to see if it would do anything, Yes its stiffer, Im happy with it, ill probally cut it off and re do it tidyer.

Previously I just had the bar bolted up to the strut towers, didnt really do $&#$% all

by **Lloyd** » Mon May 02, 2011 10:34 pm

Technically you shouldn't be welding to anything structural anyway

Reason for rejection:
"3. A modification affects the vehicle structure–including an object or fitting affixed after manufacture that is welded to the chassis, sub-frame, cross-member or body of a monocoque structure"

Though in saying that, strut braces allowed if... " there are no structural changes to the body or suspension mounting points."

by **mytmk3** » Tue May 03, 2011 1:39 am

Malcolm wrote:to be fair, a lot of strut braces are so poorly designed that they do bugger all to add stiffness anyway

They can still be usefull just used my front stb as a braker bar today worked mint

by **.:O4AGTZ:.** » Tue May 03, 2011 9:27 am

Its a bit off a crappy rule really, basically saying no you cant make your car handle better and possibly be safer due to this.

by **wde_bdy** » Tue May 03, 2011 9:48 am

The problem with stiffening up cars though is you can negate the built in safety features. Stop the car deforming properly in an accident and that energy has to go somewhere, generally that will be the people inside. Which is why you can't just weld shit to your car without getting it properly checked, which is outside the scope of a WoF check.
It would also depend on what suspension design as to whether it will actually help your car or not, attaching to shock towers won't do anything unless they are taking spring loads.

Callum

by **Leon** » Tue May 03, 2011 10:06 am

.:O4AGTZ:. wrote:Its a bit off a crappy rule really, basically saying no you cant make your car handle better and possibly be safer due to this.

Because muppets stuff things up by making cars more dangerous by welding to structural bits of the car.

by **.:O4AGTZ:.** » Tue May 03, 2011 12:05 pm

Leon wrote:
.:O4AGTZ:. wrote:Its a bit off a crappy rule really, basically saying no you cant make your car handle better and possibly be safer due to this.

Because muppets stuff things up by making cars more dangerous by welding to structural bits of the car.

Yea i understand all that, but it would be good if they were able to test if stuff like this actually made anything worse or not and base it on that.

by **Leon** » Tue May 03, 2011 12:38 pm

They do ... "they" is Low Volume Vehicles

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