Should Auckland pay for everyone else's problems?

[Silent Knight]

No sir, you are withdrawing because you got chopped out. Feel it.

Mate you are a crack up. Try removing your head from your ass like Zeph said and then try to discuss cuz you are literally just speaking straight out of your ass.

[zEpHyRiNe]

My head is clearly removed from my ass (not that it was ever there) , maybe you should try to remove the penis from yours.

Sorry, i'm a firm believer in the "exit hole" theory.

It'd cost just as much of tax payers money to fix Auckland's public transport system. Do you know how much it'd cost to install a subway?

Why do they have to install an entirely new system? Why can't the government invest the time and money in improving the exisiting systems and making these more reliable? Or would that just be the logical thing to do?

People only choose to drive because they need to to survive. Those farmers chose to farm, no one held them at gun point, they chose to do it to survive. If they didn't chop down all the trees there probably wouldn't have been any floods, or to a much less extent anyway.

I don't drive, and I'm not dying because of this.
If its all about choices, why do people choose to drive and be stuck in the traffic? Why don't they make the choice to take public transport to avoid the traffic problem and save the environment at the same time? This is the difference between a concious decision and an uncontrolled weather pattern.
And by the way, I doubt the outcome of the flooding would be altered if there still was trees.

[zEpHyRiNe]

I dont think you'd find anyone that would actually want the government not to help those people out! (unless of course it happened in Auckland )

You obviously didnt watch the poll on Good Morning today

[Pies]

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*coff*retards!*coff*

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look at the piggy!!

[Parker]

My head is clearly removed from my ass (not that it was ever there) , maybe you should try to remove the penis from yours.

Sorry, i'm a firm believer in the "exit hole" theory.

It'd cost just as much of tax payers money to fix Auckland's public transport system. Do you know how much it'd cost to install a subway?

Why do they have to install an entirely new system? Why can't the government invest the time and money in improving the exisiting systems and making these more reliable? Or would that just be the logical thing to do?

People only choose to drive because they need to to survive. Those farmers chose to farm, no one held them at gun point, they chose to do it to survive. If they didn't chop down all the trees there probably wouldn't have been any floods, or to a much less extent anyway.

I don't drive, and I'm not dying because of this.
If its all about choices, why do people choose to drive and be stuck in the traffic? Why don't they make the choice to take public transport to avoid the traffic problem and save the environment at the same time? This is the difference between a concious decision and an uncontrolled weather pattern.
And by the way, I doubt the outcome of the flooding would be altered if there still was trees.

Not everyone can choose not to drive, using public transport would add on average about 25 - 45 mins on someones journey to work instead of using a car. That's just not practical. You show me a large city anywhere in the world that uses over 30% public transport. Cars are neccesary, it's a fact, get over it.

There is no way they can improve public transport so much that people won't need to drive. They'd have to have busses every five minutes maybe even less. That'd mean there would just be traffic jams of busses.

If you knew anything about anything you'd know that trees absorb water. When farmers remove huge amounts of trees from along rivers, the soil on the sides will disentegrate, filling the bottom of the river and raising its level.

[NeverAlive]

just wanna point out the export meat thing

u pay high price for the meat, becoz other coutries can pay higher than what u pay for. so its like a circle, u work harder and u can afford better products. farming related products is the main exporting in New Zealand. that's the best way u can get money out of other country. without it, u only got tourism left. so stop complaining about farmers. and read some news, books, internet search watever, gain some knowledge. don't make stupid comments dissing people u don't even know.

[gt4mike]

just wanna point out the export meat thing

u pay high price for the meat, becoz other coutries can pay higher than what u pay for. so its like a circle, u work harder and u can afford better products. farming related products is the main exporting in New Zealand. that's the best way u can get money out of other country. without it, u only got tourism left. so stop complaining about farmers. and read some news, books, internet search watever, gain some knowledge. don't make stupid comments dissing people u don't even know.

So why should just Auckland pay higher prices and not the rest of the country? Your logic kinda makes sense in that the prices shouldn't be too low in NZ when other countries are offering more for the product, but isn't it a little unfair just to charge one part of the country the export price? Surely it would make more economic sense to charge everyone in NZ the same high price?

[Huffer]

You show me a large city anywhere in the world that uses over 30% public transport. Cars are neccesary, it's a fact, get over it.

There is no way they can improve public transport so much that people won't need to drive. They'd have to have busses every five minutes maybe even less. That'd mean there would just be traffic jams of busses.

If you knew anything about anything you'd know that trees absorb water. When farmers remove huge amounts of trees from along rivers, the soil on the sides will disentegrate, filling the bottom of the river and raising its level.

Try Sydney, or Melbourne for close examples. In Melbourne much of the outlying areas are serviced by light rail, and the inner city is serviced by trams. In Sydney they use water taxis and buses in the inner city, not to mention the very cheap and quick monorail. Yes they still have traffic, but nowhere NEAR the kind of traffic jams Auckland suffers on a 24/7 basis.

What's the problem with having buses every 5mins in the inner city and major suburbs? It's a logistical problem, and not an unsolvable problem. The real problem is that none of the councils want to commit the money to a good system, they are all worried about the level of demand. Fact is, you need to create an alternative before you can solve the current problems.

Trees don't absorb flood water. Their roots create a network support structure to prevent soil and rocks from being washed away.
(Fairly sure my close friend studying geological erosion will correct me if I'm wrong).

[AngelTwin]

It's called transport costs!! Meat prices are higher the further away from the farm you get coz they have to be transported. This is why petrol prices change from city to town etc. coz it has to be transported from the import point.

If Auckland was cut off from the rest of the country you'd have no meat or dairy products!!! Spose then you'd just hunt down any non-aucklanders and eat them??

And the comment about no city using public transport? Try Wellington, coz at peak times all the buses and trains are full, so maybe Auckland should take a lesson from us!

[zEpHyRiNe]

If you knew anything about anything you'd know that trees absorb water. When farmers remove huge amounts of trees from along rivers, the soil on the sides will disentegrate, filling the bottom of the river and raising its level.

Spongetree Nopants?

[AngelTwin]

Oh and Parker, you've got real nerve insulting people you don't even know!!! All of your posts are retarded and the ones that have a slight intelligence are ruined with a childish comment!! For christ's sake, if you haven't got something decent to say just shut the f*ck up!

This is why the rest of the country has such a problem with Auckland, coz of Arrogant Aucklanders like you!!

[Huffer]

And the comment about no city using public transport? Try Wellington, coz at peak times all the buses and trains are full, so maybe Auckland should take a lesson from us!

Good point, but I don't think you can realistically use Wellington as an example - the cities are TOTALLY different...

I think Sydney or even Johannesburg are better comparisons - you have a widespread population commuting large distances (15-30+ km per day) along multiple routes (this is why Welly doesn't count as there really are only two major routes in/out), plus a large amount of export/import volume and a major population diversity factor.

[zEpHyRiNe]

This is why the rest of the country has such a problem with Auckland, coz of Arrogant Aucklanders like you!!

Hahahahahaha.. No comment

[EVLGTZ]

If Auckland was cut off from the rest of the country you'd have no meat or dairy products!!! Spose then you'd just hunt down any non-aucklanders and eat them??

And the comment about no city using public transport? Try Wellington, coz at peak times all the buses and trains are full, so maybe Auckland should take a lesson from us!

Hey I sense a bit of negative feelings here towards Auckland and Aucklanders. Not all of us are complete dawks like young parker here.

And btw, in peak times in Auckland the buses and trains are pretty much full as well. I choose to use public transport to get to work as its quicker and less fuss. Sure the public transport system could be improved but it's not that bad.

[zEpHyRiNe]

Good point, but I don't think you can realistically use Wellington as an example - the cities are TOTALLY different...

I think Sydney or even Johannesburg are better comparisons - you have a widespread population commuting large distances (15-30+ km per day) along multiple routes (this is why Welly doesn't count as there really are only two major routes in/out), plus a large amount of export/import volume and a major population diversity factor.

I actually like Melbourne as a better example of a city with effective public transoprt. I spent a week there and only saw a small percentage of people *actually* driving into/out of the CBD. The highest concentration of vehicles were buses and taxis, and I got around everywhere on the tram.
I believe Auckland would benefit from this sort of system, but hey, thats just my *opinion*, don't feel pressured to take any notice of it whatsoever because as Parker would say, I don't seem to know anything about anything.

[AngelTwin]

Hey I sense a bit of negative feelings here towards Auckland and Aucklanders. Not all of us are complete dawks like young parker here.

Dude, I know there's only a few arrogant aucklanders, that's why my post said :

This is why the rest of the country has such a problem with Auckland, coz of Arrogant Aucklanders like you!!

I actually know quite a few people in Auckland and they're all cool people. It's just the handful that ruin it for everyone!!

Same goes in all situations. Especially boyracers/car enthusiasts. It's the idiots that ruin it for everyone, casting everyone in to the same mold when we're all different!!

[Huffer]

Hey I sense a bit of negative feelings here towards Auckland and Aucklanders. Not all of us are complete dawks like young parker here.

And btw, in peak times in Auckland the buses and trains are pretty much full as well. I choose to use public transport to get to work as its quicker and less fuss. Sure the public transport system could be improved but it's not that bad.

Fear not, it's just playa-hatin'.

I do know a fair few people who do catch the bus in and around the inner suburbs - the real problem is the lack of public transport in the outlying areas - it is there, yes, but in woefully inadequate levels to cope with the demand on roads. (no idea where you live though!)

Agreed with Zephyrine on Melbourne - they have a great system over there. Plenty of people in the city, but very few cars as most people choose to take the plentiful public transport system.
In addition, cities like this can benefit more because there are no large carpark buildings taking up valuable real estate area, leading to more commerical and financial development of the city. Plus the reduction in environmental impact...

Win-win situation.

Main issue I see with Auckland is that it is so far down the track, that reversing is going to be SO HARD...to change the traffic policy now would require someone as ballsy as Don Brash...

[AngelTwin]

Yeah, it's one thing the Wellington city planners got right!! They built the rail system before the houses!! Therefore everyone lives close to public transport. It's a shame they fuct up the narrow roads that the buses have to drive on!!

Auckland city planners just didn't think before they built (much like Parker, not thinking first). Auckland is just a real mad mahem mess! Deal with it!!

[AngelTwin]

doodeedooo

*coff*retards!*coff*

doodeedooooooodoodedeeeedoooooo dumpty dooooo

look at the piggy!!

Yeah, look at the piggy!! That's as close as you'll get to meat if you choose to isolate Auckland!!!

But seriously, look at the piggy!! That is truly whack!!

[Huffer]

It's a shame they fuct up the narrow roads that the buses have to drive on!!

The buses used to be trams... a lot thinner and shorter...

Gosh I'm really showing my age huh? Or maybe just my local knowledge!