Twin Turbo 2.5 Soarer vs vr4 Legnum

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TT soarer VS Vr4 legnum on 1/4 mile and a track

Soarer best on 1/4 mile and best on Track (pukekohe)
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Legnum best on 1/4 mile and best on Track (pukekohe)
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36%
 
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Postby Ako » Tue Dec 20, 2005 2:57 pm

Meh, details details. They're very very similar cars weight/power wise.

I can throw the argument back the other way - I have several mates with VR4 legnums who haven't had any issues whatsoever reliability - wise. Every single car you can think of will be either unreliable and weak, or strong as an ox and never dies - just depends on who you ask!

Ones a big luxo barge thing missing two doors, the other is a family wagon with a bit of go. Legnum can get off the line better, the AYC will send it round the corners better (yes, I've driven both cars), on the other hand - its a wagon, is damn near un-modifiable past 350hp easily, and can't do skids.

Tough choice.
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Postby UZZ30 » Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:08 pm

bad20v wrote:

I've got three mates with Legnums... 1 x VR-4, 2 x ST-R's

..... all had to rebuild or replace gearboxes before 120,000km's! :(
..... all have had turbo problems! :(
..... all have had overheating problems! :(

......reliabilty??? I think not! :?

I have two mates with Soarer's... both TT but one auto and one manual....

.... never had a problem with transmissions or any other part! :D ( except for wearing out the rear tyres! :P )


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I would go for the Soarer.... I would rather finish the race than have to fix my car half way through. :D



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Postby UZZ30 » Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:11 pm

Ako wrote: missing two doors


Its not missing two doors. Its a coupe. they only have two doors! :P Looks nicer than 4 doors. Imagine a 4 door soarer.. :?
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Postby Ako » Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:49 pm

Well, not really. It's too big to be a proper coupe (in my eyes)- its like an HSV, but less practical, like a monaro. A 4 door soarer would be... well... a slightly disfigured chaser.

And the 1 X VR4 and 2 X ST-R's all with turbo problems - um, only ones turbocharged, and I've never heard of issues with mitsis overheating? I can point to plenty of toymotas with their share of reliability issues as well.
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Postby Mr Revhead » Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:54 pm

hehe oh mitsis have their issues....

those VR4 autos are well known for shitting boxes.
and also the gearbox ecu i think..... theres some ecu for them thats common to die.
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Postby Ako » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:04 pm

Those VR4 gearboxes can also withstand a proven 500hp for 2 years and counting if people actually maintain the things.

Cause of course, the turbos on soarers are so damn foolproof, especially with that useful mechanism they have to shoo away tailgaters!
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Postby Mr Revhead » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:21 pm

im talking about the v6 tt auto boxes....
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Postby Brick » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:27 pm

a soarer would do better drifts 8)
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Postby Ako » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:44 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:im talking about the v6 tt auto boxes....


So am I. Guys in the UK have been making some massive numbers out of these wagons, all of them are using the auto boxes.
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Postby luvnit » Tue Dec 20, 2005 4:51 pm

yeah well ill go the different route here and say its up to how good the drivers are in each car

and i voted for the mitsi
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Postby skoty » Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:03 pm

Well I can't say I'm really into mitsis... :roll: They arnt exactly the most reliable cars out and "generally" speaking I hear nothing but bad shit about the TT VR4s. As for the 1jzgte soarers, I was amazed by the performance, looks and toyota reliability.
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Postby Mr Revhead » Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:30 pm

So am I. Guys in the UK have been making some massive numbers out of these wagons, all of them are using the auto boxes


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Postby bad20v » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:18 am

Mr Revhead wrote:
So am I. Guys in the UK have been making some massive numbers out of these wagons, all of them are using the auto boxes


got links?


Yes, some proof of this would be good. :D Coz, almost any car can make 'massive' numbers from their engines.... but how long till it breaks?
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Postby Ako » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:32 am

If you really want to get picky. Go to www.clubvr4.com, and have a look round. There's a few guys on there who have been pulling consistent mid 12's out of full weight wagons for about 2 years now, none have ever killed a gearbox off. For a car weighing in at around 1700kgs with driver, to get those times (and 110mph trap speeds) you try telling me thats not a decent whack of power.

I've got a number of mates with TT VR4's of both shapes, hell, I've owned 3 of them myself. They have some issues, as does any car - my last one I managed to destroy every single part of the driveline (literally), but thats down to my driving style more than anything. BUT - abuse inspired breakages aside, I never had any issues with reliability in 3 years of owning them. I have my opinion, and being a toyota forum im just kiiiiinda liable to be the odd one out. If I asked this same question on a mitsi forum, it would be Al or someone trying to stand up for the soarer!
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Postby Mr Revhead » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:44 am

hey im not saying your full of shit. just in case you thought i was.

however as i work with the nationwide partslink as part of my daily duties... i often see ppl looking for boxes for these, and i as i also stated above, ecus.

but hey, in a coupla years we wont need to worry about mitsi anymore 8O
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Postby EVL GSXR » Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:51 am

Where's the Honda option :lol: :lol:

I would have to say the Soarer but hey who know's till it's proven..
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Postby Skidman » Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:09 pm

Seem as we are talking stock standard I would say that Id be hard pressed to call it. The Legnum has more pros than the soarer so I think that It may have the Berries over the soarer.-4wd and active YAW.

My flatmate has a 2001 VR4 legie and it has the evo 5 gearbox, so youd really have to treat it bad to destroy it. As for the engine Ive never seen a car keep such clean oil, If well looked after I think that reliability is good. Its not standard, running ICBM Boost cont at 11.5psi , K&N pannel and 3" from the turbos and is INSANLY fast for a wagon. Its almost like those 3.5 V6 mivec short wheel based pajeros that mitsi make-stupidly fast for somthing so big.
The HSK turbo timer rekons that it gets past the 1/4 mile in 13.2sec
So im going for the leggie
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Postby CozmoNz » Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:36 am

the soarer is a cruiser.....

why dont we go put a century in there too? another car made for cruising thats got a huge engine but probbaly dosnt have that much get up and go...

the leg is too, but not so much (4wd, yaw bla bla)....

Id take the soarer, mainly because i love them, but seriuosly in a race, the leg would win.

so mitsi fixed that ring problem eh ;)
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Postby Silent Knight » Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:54 am

CozmoNz wrote:the soarer is a cruiser.....

why dont we go put a century in there too? another car made for cruising thats got a huge engine but probbaly dosnt have that much get up and go...


lol...oH how easily I can put you to shame right now for a dumb shit un-educated comment like that. :roll:
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Postby CozmoNz » Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:00 am

oh no, i thought it out before i said it :D

im sure in a kp, the 5l v10 has lots of getup and go, but in a tanc, it seems to be a bit lessened.

dont stress, im doing my usual stir the pot thing, but the century isnt build for performance, it may have alot of get and go.... but when she weighs 2200 or wuteva... it dampens it :D
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