ANTI SMACKING BILL

[mr pad]

smacking is pretty lame. Just because something is effective dosn't mean its right... If a parent can't learn how to control, manage a child properly there are other means, and if they are too stupid/cbf figuring that out then they don't deserve to have kids.

[Mr Revhead]

your right

im going to go stand in the corner and think about what iv done

[Adamal]

Honestly... over in Saffa we get 'disciplined' with sticks/shoes/spoons and the good ol' Rotang.

Your parents used to smack you with a 12a or a 13b?

[Jebus]

Hence why Hanre has such a dislike for Rotarys now days.

[Silent Knight]

lol

Nope, it's a thick leather (?) stick. Probably an inch or two inches thick at the base and it goes smaller smaller as it gets longer. Lots of different sizes for them. Farmers used to use it on the cows to get them moving etc. So naturally it was always close when I did something I should not have done on the farm so me being hit with it was inevitable.

PS. Where the hell is Lanius, he'll be able to say whether I've spelled the bloody word right or not!!

[Snoozin]

Honestly... over in Saffa we get 'disciplined' with sticks/shoes/spoons and the good ol' Rotang.

Your parents used to smack you with a 12a or a 13b?

You know you were in for it when they dusted off the 20B too!!!!

[strap-on]

I DONT smack my son, but i still am opposed to the bill, simply because it is abuse of power on the part of the government. We put them there to mediate and collate, if we wanted a queen we would ask the queen of england to do the job.

[geishaboy]

Young children often fail to understand the social ramifications of what they have done when they step out of line. Say a small child hits another small child at pre school. That child is not going to do it again if he gets a smack on the arse. Why? Because the child realizes that there is a consequence to that action, and in this case, realizes that hitting hurts.

Some people argue that this is fighting fire with fire, but it's more giving a child a taste of his own medicine.

There are other ways to deal with bad behavior, like sending a kid to their room, or no ice cream for a week and so forth, and while these methods do have a degree of effectiveness, they work in a different manner to smacking. Send a child to his room and he will sit there knowing that after an hour he will be allowed to come out, ban him from ice cream for a week, and he knows that he will be eating ice cream come Monday. What starts to happen in this situation is that a child will associate a punishment as something being taken away (free time, privileges), and not something that directly effects them.

Smacking on the other hand, directly effects a small child, they receive pain. Pain being a very undesirable feeling, the child will want to avoid it at all costs. Basically, if the child gets time outs as a punishment, he will wage it as whether what he is going to do as worth an hour locked in his room. Basically, he sees doing something bad as a trade off to the punishment. This is somewhat true with smacking to an extent, but as a child has pain as a fundamentally undesirable feeling hard wired into his brain from birth, there is very little that a child would deem worth having pain inflicted on them.

So basically, if you smack your child, you are teaching them that bad behavior leads to pain, and since a child doesn't want to inflict pain on himself, he will not want to behave badly.

Also, another thing that pisses me off about this is saying "Ohh it's a barbaric practice", or "The is no need for it, we don't live in the dark ages anymore", I've got news for you, we f**king DO live in the dark ages.

Random muggings, rape, break ins, ignorance, arrogance, robbery, racism, drug use, drunk driving, domestic violence, corruption, you name it, humanity's got it! Hell, I bet you $10 that if you walk out on the street and talk to the first person you see that they will be a complete moron. Try it!

If you don't teach a child that bad behavior comes with a hefty consequence, what happens when they grow older? They will still be waging in their minds as whether their actions consequence will be worth it, in their mind they are still trading it off "Hmmm, if I get caught speeding down this road I'm gonna get a ticket, me f**k it, it's only a ticket". My old man smacked me as a child, and I have avoided trouble at all costs and kept my nose clean, I thought he was an ass hole at the time, but now I really appreciate that fact that he disciplined me so harshly.

That's just a little pet theory I have been rolling around in my head for a while. Feel free to call me an idiot if you don't agree.

[mr pad]

Were you drunk when you wrote that? ^^^ Again, just because something is effective dosn't mean its the right way of doing things. Respect for self and others does not need to be obtained through violence...

[Mr Revhead]

SMACKING IS NOT VIOLENCE.


beating the crap out of some one is violence.

[no_8wire]

Were you drunk when you wrote that? ^^^ Again, just because something is effective dosn't mean its the right way of doing things. Respect for self and others does not need to be obtained through violence...

So how do you teach respect to a toddler with out smacking? How can you reason with someone that cant talk ( eg baby)?

[mr pad]

Were you drunk when you wrote that? ^^^ Again, just because something is effective dosn't mean its the right way of doing things. Respect for self and others does not need to be obtained through violence...

So how do you teach respect to a toddler with out smacking? How can you reason with someone that cant talk ( eg baby)?

Hahahaha. Awesome. You should have kids.

[no_8wire]

Raising kids the
West Auckland Style...

[touge rolla]

people who do abuse their kids pretend they didn't realise the difference between discipline and abuse when they're in court and a jury of morons acquits them. this country is full of complete and utter retards, anyone here who works in customer service will know that

[bluemaumau]

no offense but i find the majority of the customer service ppl are $&#$% retards.

p.s smack the bastards

[Levin_it]

Christine Ranken said it wonderfull about this bill.
"Even if this bill passes, it wont stop the animal who raped his 15 month daughter last week"

Abuse and love are two DIFFERNT THINGS

I was smacked only when I crossed that line and when I got what I deserved I thank my parents now at age 21 realising that they did that out of love. If I was not corrected then my parents would have abused me for not bringing me up the right way. I believe smacking is not the only way to correct a child but it definately works and the kids definately know its what they brought upon them selves.

One more thing about smacking.

Its one thing to smack a child when they deserve it. Its better after that to discuss with that child the reason they were smacked and how their actions lead to good or bad reactions. If kids understand this essential part of parenting then the parents get an A+ for loving and correcting kids. (In my book anyway)

[snwtoy]

Were you drunk when you wrote that? ^^^ Again, just because something is effective dosn't mean its the right way of doing things. Respect for self and others does not need to be obtained through violence...

I'm with pad.

Whenever I was smacked as a kid I NEVER learned anything other than 'the bigger person gets to beat up the little person'. I NEVER associated smacking as a negative consequence because I was also taught not to be a crybaby, and to deal with pain.
If I got smacked it was because I got caught. Be smarter next time and don't get caught.
Yes I was a devious little 5 year old.
As I got older I started to fight back. You smack me, I smack you. Viscous circle. If you're allowed to beat me, I'm allowed to beat you. Fair's fair. Smacking teaches consequences? Bullshit. If the consequence for stealing the biscuit is a small amount of pain, it's worth it.

BUT

I still don't hold my opinion valid as I don't have kids of my own.

[Mr Revhead]

sounds like you were beaten then left to it


thats not parenting

[Levin_it]

Whenever I was smacked as a kid I NEVER learned anything other than 'the bigger person gets to beat up the little person'. I NEVER associated smacking as a negative consequence because I was also taught not to be a crybaby, and to deal with pain.
If I got smacked it was because I got caught. Be smarter next time and don't get caught.
Yes I was a devious little 5 year old.
As I got older I started to fight back. You smack me, I smack you. Viscous circle. If you're allowed to beat me, I'm allowed to beat you. Fair's fair. Smacking teaches consequences? Bullshit. If the consequence for stealing the biscuit is a small amount of pain, it's worth it.

This is not a personal attack or anything..

I dont know - how your parents were at dealing out justice. If I saw my folks showing favoritism or injustice towards anything without good reason, I saw fault in their judgement then I lost part-respect. I remember only a few times this in my folks. In reality, no parent is perfect. I guess even though I saw this sometimes, I knew my parents hearts were to do the right thing and to be JUST, to us kids. I saw this as a kid because I believe they let me showed their love for me, and their best for me - without words, I saw this. Sometimes kids are a bit slow for puting two and two together so they need to hear that vital explanation from their parents. If not then "I just got smacked but I am still right"

Sure I didnt get caught for most of the things I did but I did learn from my mistakes and realised that my judgements for stealing cookies were not a good decision to make.
In the real world you dont get a smack on the backside, you go to jail.
Smacking is the punishment to show the kid the 'deal' and the discussions are suppose to bring the love into the situation and through open hearts the matter should be closed.

Kids in south auckland are an example how they dont get the fair deal on discipline. They just get the bash without any explanation which is why they take it out on others in their confusion, its why S A is where most of our crime comes from. That is bad parenting.

A student can only learn as well/much as his teacher teaches, If a generation of kids are shown nothing but violence then we only see a ripple effect of the inevitable.

While timeout can work, "Go to your room" sometime only breeds that rebellion inside a kid and at the end of the 10 minutes, after throwing books around the room, that kid only knows that he/she knows better because he/she was not NOT SHOWN THEY MADE POOR DECISIONS, basicly the parent said "go away" and somehow that is suppose to fix that flaw in the childs character? Perhaps not the best way to bring out punishment. (I dont know, debatable?)

No matter how parents bring up kids, it ultimately is up to them to raise up good character in children. Smacking or not, so long as a child turns out ok then how could that parent be told they did a poor job?

I dont think politicians 'opinions' should have any higher authority for how New Zealand's families can be run, this is why there are professionals who know how kids tick and how to reach them. Sue Bradfords abusive background is a foundation which despite her political standpoint, means nothing in right judgement. Would you vote to lower the offence for child sex offenders in this country? Sue Bradford did.

This bill is an sick joke.

[Voodoo]

i was smacked as a kid, im im glad for it, i soon learnt what was wrong , and the smack only ever came out as a last resort, wasnt long before i knew not to overstep the line , and smacking wasnt needed

so i am all for it, if its needed , but there are other methods as well that also should be used or tried first