AW11, or AE86?

[vvega]

They didn't get first, but my point is that he obviously knows what he's doing when it comes to racing.

As for the AE86 vs EP82 video, Tsukuba has a really long straight before the last corner, into a medium straight going through the start, and most of the corners aren't very tight.
The EP being a turbo, you can actually see where it gains ground on the straight. Striaght lines aren't a way of testing a cars handling abilities.

OMG your attually tring to say that that best motoring vid is accurate.... if yoru of that opinion then well i guess theres no hope of tring to convince you of reality
just another japanese fanboy

admal even if you put a little faith in that vid you have to realise the put a real race car drive in a a good car and he cained teh field
looking at the driving styles of teh other racers they were track day hoons at best
and you wonder why

tell you what you can drive your beloved ae-86 and well get nigel mansell to drive a aw11 around a track and well judge teh quality of a car by who wins that race....

can you not see the point im tring to make
i mean near the end he starts drifting it round corners......sliding is slowing down in teh real world and is not teh fastest way around a corner

oh well i guess they dont call them fanatics for nothing

[Mr Revhead]

vega, are you sayin driftings slower than racing?!




for an example of good drivers vs bad drivers..... watch the NZV8s reverse grid races, watch bessie show up the kiwis!

[Adamal]

Wayne: Deep breath, and relaaaaaax

I'm merely going back to MrDori's original post in which he said that he knows for a fact that an EP82 could beat an AE86 around the track. Then I'm supporting what thephatty said as far as many variables are concerned!

Stop reading lines that aren't between the lines!

I said that it looks as if the EP82 (turbo) has the advantage on the straights. And unless for some unknown reason Tsuchiya wasn't giving it full throttle on the straights, the EP82 was gaining ground at a significant pace.
With Tsukuba being a fast track, it'd be easy to see why!

What I'm saying is that its more on the ability of the car itself under those conditions rather than the drivers ability UNLESS he was specifically holding back and not taking the car to the limits of its ability.

As for Mansell.. Pfft. I'd have him shaving off his moustache in an effort to get some better power/weight (Please for the love of god reaslise that this is a joke)

[vvega]

oi no sitting on teh fence :d
pft how would he get the hot bitche without teh manly face fro

it woudl be like tome sellick shaving his
simple unfathonable

[Mr Revhead]

it most certianly is fathomable

[Adamal]

Good LORD! He looks so YOUNG! And I was lead to believe that he was born with a 'Tache!

[DR]

He had it shaved off for his Top gear appearance also...

And if what all you guys are saying is true then would it be safe for me to believe that a honda city in reality could not beat a mazda mx5?

[Adamal]

Yup, a Honda City could never beat an MX5 under any conditions, no matter if the track is tight and narrow or with long high speed corners or a twisty mountain road style track.

Hell, it would even beat it if there wasn't even anyone driving in it.

[DR]

Having owned a City EE I can catagorically state they are mini skip bin full of sacks of shit to drive

[Adamal]

My point is, where a car beats another depends on track and what the car is best suited to.

Take the Veyron for example. In a straight line:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fdb8FdXfPU

Its going to whip your monkey-ass.

However, its a heavy car. With all fluids and driver, you're looking 1900KG. Even with all its amazing suspension, huge brakes, blah blah blah, its still a heavy car.
Get it on a tight as twisty track with a Lotus, chances are the Lotus will toast it.

[Leon]

Yup, a Honda City could never beat an MX5 under any conditions, no matter if the track is tight and narrow or with long high speed corners or a twisty mountain road style track.

Hell, it would even beat it if there wasn't even anyone driving in it.

Lend me a Honda City somebody... I am sure I can beat an MX5 in an autocross

[Cahuna]

Lend me a Honda City somebody... I am sure I can beat an MX5 in an autocross

Maybe... I almost beat myself in an MX5 compared to a Swift GTI in a recent Motorkhana (approx .5 sec diff across the day between the two cars, me driving both). Point is, as made above, different conditions suit different cars.

AE86 vs AW11? As a generalisation I'd go AW11 for anything you want grip for (circuit racing) and AE86 for anything you want balance for (drifting, rallying etc). And my AE92 for anything remotely tight and twisty

[EVL20V]

b18cR city is a different story

take the hachi over the mr2, unless ur wanting to be a hairdresser?

mr2s are cheap because the owners are in a mad hurry to sell because they keep geting hassled bout their "manly" cars

[MR2SIK]

My point is, where a car beats another depends on track and what the car is best suited to.

Take the Veyron for example. In a straight line:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fdb8FdXfPU

Its going to whip your monkey-buttocks.

However, its a heavy car. With all fluids and driver, you're looking 1900KG. Even with all its amazing suspension, huge brakes, blah blah blah, its still a heavy car.
Get it on a tight as twisty track with a Lotus, chances are the Lotus will toast it.

kinda like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tze6Ir2jNY

[dr1fter]

i own a NA AW11 and its the best $1300 bucks i ever spent on a car (after 13 previous cars) the MR engine and lightweight chassis makes for a blast on any twistys you come accross. i agree its such an underrated car and hatchis are more about the cult staus than being a actual sports cars. if you get over the whole "penis extention" factor of how your car looks then i think the MR2 is a better bang for buck. just my 2cents

[d1 mule]

having owned 4 AE85/6 im a bit biased but how often do ya see an AW11 racing compared to a 86 sweet fu*k all really, now there must be a reason for that..........................

[DJ]

*Hasnt still voted on this poll*

Both are awesome.

[Dell'Orto]

having owned 4 AE85/6 im a bit biased but how often do ya see an AW11 racing compared to a 86 sweet fu*k all really, now there must be a reason for that..........................

They're harder to driver fast for the average joe...but once you get the hang of driving MR, its much much better

[RomanV]

If I had a race car that I had to pull the engine/gbox/etc in and out of all of the time, then I sure as hell wouldnt have an MR2

[no_8wire]

As above...a VW Beetle would be the one for ease of engine removal...
(pity about the torsion bar suspension though)