ANTI SMACKING BILL

[Bling]

I was also smacked, its not like a smack is that bad. A smack and ABUSE are totally different.

Harden the F**K up New Zealand.

[Alycia]

There is a difference between a smack to try and teach right from wrong and a beating.

Govt. should stop wasting their bloody time on this bill and focus on something like tougher sentencing or something like that. The bill really is a joke.

I will still smack Mitch on the hand but I wont take to him out the back with a belt/bat/frying pan or anything.

After all - isn't that what husbands are for???

[sergei]

From my point of view, the whole debate is laughable.
My father is ex russian army military officer, and he "educated" me accordingly, although he did not smack me often, when I got hit it was for either putting my-self or someone else in great danger. I had a lot of freedom when I was kid,mainly due to my parents working till very late, from age of 5 (when kindergarten was over), I was on the streets "playing" with my mates, I was up to a lot of mischief, but never stupid enough to put some/someone's property in danger, there was certain rules and definition of what right and wrong is which I still follow.
And I tell you one thing, if those little $&#$% wits are not smacked once in a while they will never get it. I knew a few kids with whom I grew up together who were never smacked by their parents and couple of them are dead and others are in jail. How do you know fire is hot - only when you touch it you realize how hot it is.
Also what is really disturbing - in shopping malls for example, I see a lot of parents with kids, and a lot of kids are just real pain in the ass, they grab stuff from shelves and throw it on the floor, grab sweets and don't give it back to parents, even swear, and those parents have no idea what to do, I remember back in the days if a kid would do this sort of stuff that kid would get a good smack on the hands and will not be doing it again.
Kids are little animals, they try to take over you, provoke you in loosing control, and sometimes the force is necessary. In fact I can tell you it is only necessary one or two smacks and that will be over.
From age of 14 I had to put up with my little sister - I must admit I never smack her - it was not necessary - my father gave me a good example of how to set who is the boss. I had to use some force - as the little kids are very keen on biting,kicking and pitching as they are denied the forbidden (be that either lollies or trying to plug utensils in the electrical sockets). If they introduce this anti smacking bill it will be very hard for parents to keep the kids from danger.

This law will not stop abuse. No law stopped rapes or even theft, the possibility of being caught and punished does somewhat. This law only will tie hands of the parents and allow $&#$% wits to grow up in real criminals. What I think would work better is to export all the rape and kid bashers to, say, Malaysia prisons to get real punishment. And those newcomers immigrants that get caught send them back to the shit hole they came from. And for fck sake - 10 year for murder is not enough, 1 bullet hole in the head of the murderer is (or life sentence in the same Malaysia).

Until they invent the reliable method of rehabilitation (as in brain washing) of the criminals, the only way to treat them is worse then animals - revoke any rights from them. WTF is with criminals suing the government for "mistreatment"? It is bloody prison - they are supposed to be mistreated, in fact it is only fair this way as they mistreated others. Of course the system should be case by case basis and say fraudsters should not be mixed with rapists. As it makes the prison for same rapist very desirable place (easy prey).

NOTE: no offence to Malaysians, this government is welcome to export criminals to Russia if they wish, although I doubt they will survive long.

[Mr Revhead]

sergei for president!

[sergei]

sergei for president!

No, you don't want me as the president . (although NZ does not have presidency)
Other wise if I was president I would push a lot of reforms with which a lot of people would disagree.
Here is the list:
Untie the government from religion.
Make every one equal (no special treatment for so called natives, partially due to genocide on the previous natives).
One government, one nation.
Expand military. (If say an rouge terrorist organisation wanted to invade NZ, say tomorrow, it would do so without any resistance with current military force).
Military service will be compulsory. (will fix high depression rate within youngsters).
Invest a lot of money in: Public transport (proper stuff not bloody stupid bus way system they have now, trains and subways are far more flexible in future increase of amount of commuters), Education (free tertiary) and Health, the rest is not important - stuff like waterfront stadium should be lowest priority.
Restrict imports from china and off shoring of labour from Asia - there are plenty in here who sit on their hands doing nothing. I am sick of cheap shit from china which breaks all the time and overpriced good brands (with 300% mark-up).
Get rid of the PC bull shit.
Stop supporting USA. We don't need to get involved in global bullying...
Hey I have more but I doubt anyone wants to read it. Sorry for offtopic.

[Pies]

After all - isn't that what husbands are for???

you take toby out and beat him with a frying pan? shit... im jealous

[Chickenman]

I wish... at least then it would be over




I agree with Sergei except for the compulsory military service idea... $&#$% that, I aint gonna shack up with miscreants for a few years just cause someone told me to.

I would however consider shooting said miscreants in the head on weekend outings.

[fangsport]

I would however consider shooting said miscreants in the head on weekend outings.

a bit like duck shooting season or a possum /rabbit / goose cull.

[BlakJak]

Unanimous? Nearly...

http://www.blakjak.net/node/734

I ranted a while back about this one... grrrr

[fangsport]

Unanimous? Nearly...

http://www.blakjak.net/node/734

I ranted a while back about this one... grrrr

that's a well-worded piece of work, but unfortunately,it is falling on deaf ears. as it is, there are far too many kids who have been raised with no sense of discipline, and believe that the instant that a parent lays a hand on them , it's either 'child abuse' or assault, the kids have these f($kin PC slappers as teachers (purely because ALL male teachers are molesterers, and are scared to teach), who teach the kids that , not much different to my boy coming home and lecturing me about smoking. no wonder the court system is jammed full of delinquants. there is a massive difference between whacking their sorry a*^e and bashing them.

the whole frigging country is way to PC, and it is filtering down through every department and organisation, due to the 'American-ised blame system', whereby someone is at fault.

[fangsport]

smacking is pretty lame. Just because something is effective dosn't mean its right... If a parent can't learn how to control, manage a child properly there are other means, and if they are too stupid/cbf figuring that out then they don't deserve to have kids.

ok, wise guy, how would you deal with a 6-7 year-old boy, that has a mild personality disorder, that has just had all his toys confiscated due to misbehaviour, and continues to scream at the top of his lungs to get what he sees as a fair and reasonable result??

Again, just because something is effective dosn't mean its the right way of doing things. Respect for self and others does not need to be obtained through violence...

and how do do deal with a young boy that has been brain-washed by some PC slapper teacher that hates men because her husband left her for a younger tighter model?? real daily situation in any school in NZ. i'm not saying all female teachers are man haters, but a fairly high portion are, and THEY are the ones alienating the father figure and branding him as a violent psychopath. it's bad enough that many boys are not raised with a decent male role model to guide them, it's made worse by the slappers mentioned above and the fact that there very few decent male teachers in this country , due to the fact that they are scared of brain-washed kids accusing them of molestation because the divorced slapper female teacher couldn't get her way with the male teacher and needs revenge, or in a secondry school case, she is the one molesting the kids.

[mr pad]

smacking is pretty lame. Just because something is effective dosn't mean its right... If a parent can't learn how to control, manage a child properly there are other means, and if they are too stupid/cbf figuring that out then they don't deserve to have kids.

ok, wise guy, how would you deal with a 6-7 year-old boy, that has a mild personality disorder, that has just had all his toys confiscated due to misbehaviour, and continues to scream at the top of his lungs to get what he sees as a fair and reasonable result??

I don't really want to tell you how to look after your kid. And im not looking to get personal, but if I was having trouble and running out of ideas, I wouldn't resort to smacking. I know tempers can get high and kids can drive parents nuts, but there is a way to deal with any type of mentality (usually), its just a matter of finding out how (ie support group, interweb etc).

Anyway, this subject is lame as tits nows. Was to begin with anyway. Its pretty apparent people in NZ are to keen on taking the easy route and hold each others hands and tell each other its ok to keep doing what they know they probably shoudn't be if there was an easier solution to their problems.

[Chickenman]

Mr Pad...

You need to go sit on the naughty step.

[mr pad]

If by step you mean lap, then sign me up.