Who you voting for NOW?!

[lostslinky]

BAM!

LOL If you think he proved anything with those statements you are terribly wrong sir. I have no strong prefered political preference was mearly pointing out alot of mistakes made in Mr JT's post. As for his reply, again he has missed the boat...

Noone is telling you who to vote for but do it for the right reasons. Don't cast your vote due to half-truths , misconceptions etc....

[AJz]

I will cut off my left testicle if National gets in

just for that, vote.......National....."Click"........hmmm, looks like you wanna get yourself prepared for this, nationals doing quite well in OUR poll.



man, one nut, what are ya gonna do

[Scotty]

I mean people who do this, then spend the rest of their life on some kind of benefit/dole whatever...they borrowed all that money, then it's being paid back by the same people they borrowed it off...

As far as i know if you make more than ~16k a year you automatically pay back the loan so its not as if you can just not pay it back. There are also limits to the amount you can get per week 150 i think and ~1000 per year course related costs.

[CozmoNz]

When declaring your Tax code, you have the option of M or ML (i think its ML), M is standard, Primary Income, The ML option, is if you have a student loan.

needless to say, all jobs im working / have worked, have all been M .

Its probbaly going to nip me in the arse soon, but until then!

Im only on 18k a year right now too (but thats higher than the 16!)

[pervert]

As far as i know if you make more than ~16k a year you automatically pay back the loan so its not as if you can just not pay it back. There are also limits to the amount you can get per week 150 i think and ~1000 per year course related costs.

Thanks for that Captian Obvious...but Cozmo is right, it's up to you to declare your tax code as M SL, if you don't, then you don't pay...it takes a few years for them to catch up on you with this, I know from experience...

Gives you a few years to work, save up some $$$ without paying any of your loan, and $&#$% off overseas at least...

...and everyone knows the limits on what you can get, if you'd bother to read posts it is talked about...

[HELBND]

considering how many different people are on trademe, this could be reasonably accurate

http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/vote.asp

Go National

[Spannergal]

considering how many different people are on trademe, this could be reasonably accurate

http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/vote.asp

Go National

however that poll negates to have an option for those who are not supporting a party currently in parliament. I know of at least two people other than myself on trademe who wouldn't support any of the parties listed in the Trademe Poll

[HELBND]

yea but lets face it-none of those parties have any real chance of getting in-a vote to them is a waste of time imo

[mr pad]

Libertarianz

Are they the ones that want to legalise all drugs?

sure are. as well as getting rid of all taxes (that would bring petrol down since 47% of the price is tax anyway)

Thats got to be the most retarded thing I have ever heard, for so many reasons, my brain is sore from thinking about them.

Hey, lets start a party thats just going to $&#$% up the country? WTF? I must be missing somthing??!

[HELBND]

yea-a government needs tax-its where they get their money from

[Spannergal]

yea-a government needs tax-its where they get their money from

that's just the thing - the only reason that the government needs tax is that they have to fund health, education, welfare (enforced charity), etc.

under libertarianz, the idea is that every person has economic and personal freedom.

economic freedom comes from having the personal choice of who provides you with the services that the government currently tells you who is going to supply.

[pervert]

under libertarianz, the idea is that every person has economic and personal freedom.

Best idea ever...

[HELBND]

and how does our government pay for aid in natural disasters? ask everyone for a donation? i think not. Will these "economically free" people be happy to put all their extra money towards things that are better for the community? Of course not

[pervert]

Screw the disaster aid, and screw the community, the idea is to only worry about yourself...my house didn't get flooded away, so not my problem.

When my house get's flooded/whatever, then I wouldn't bitch and moan...I'd suck it up.

Personal beliefs here only, which I am entitled to...

[Spannergal]

yea but lets face it-none of those parties have any real chance of getting in-a vote to them is a waste of time imo

those parties may not get into parliament this election, but that is not to say that they will never get into parliament.

If everyone who wanted to support the smaller parties chose not to vote for the party they truly supported because it would be a "wasted" vote, we may as well have stuck with a First Past the Post electoral system.

The only vote "wasted" is the vote not used.

I'm going to cast my vote for freedom and against Nanny State. I'll be giving my party vote to Libertarianz and my constituency vote to Libertarianz leader Bernard Darnton in Wellington Central. To the predictable clamour that these will be "wasted votes" I respond: If enough of us do this, Nanny State will be gone by lunchtime.

That quote sums up the very reason that I do not consider my votes to be wasted, and I have not been swayed in the decisions that I made in the last few months.[/quote]

[HELBND]

indeed you are and thats all good, but even if i never use it, its nice to know there IS something there to help if my house gets flooded, or auckland suddenly erupts... sure ill bitch about tax and how much i have to pay, but its a necessary evil... besides-if no tax worked, dont you think someone would have tried it by now?

[Spannergal]

and how does our government pay for aid in natural disasters? ask everyone for a donation? i think not. Will these "economically free" people be happy to put all their extra money towards things that are better for the community? Of course not

you clearly don't understand Libertarianz principle so there is little point attempting to explain these things.

[HELBND]

no youre right-ive never even considered them as an option. im willing to listen however, so feel free to explain how it works

[Spannergal]

Screw the disaster aid, and screw the community, the idea is to only worry about yourself...my house didn't get flooded away, so not my problem.

When my house get's flooded/whatever, then I wouldn't bitch and moan...I'd suck it up.

Personal beliefs here only, which I am entitled to...

your on the right track but that's not quite the idea.

under libertarianz, they support what's called "eyeball welfare". If someone wants my support, they have to come up to me and ask for that assistance - rather than the current situation where its possible to be given more and more money without the approval of the people that the money is coming from

[pervert]

indeed you are and thats all good, but even if i never use it, its nice to know there IS something there to help if my house gets flooded, or auckland suddenly erupts...

Yup, but it would be even better to have an extra few hundred dollars in my hand every week, then if something does happen, I would be much better financially prepared for myself, due to all the tax savings I made.

besides-if no tax worked, dont you think someone would have tried it by now?

Nope, because no government would ever give up their massive wages paid by the tax.