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The Boyracer Issue is again on our TV screens.


Whats the best solution to counter speeding and (Boy) Driver related accidents?

Where is the 'other' option?

I semi-agree with the first one, but I'm not so sure about not being able to modify or have a turbo until 25.

Mate of mine is pretty pissed about the accident with 5 people involved. One of the passangers was one of his best mates....

Im all for more driver education before getting a licence and making it alot harder, times are changing kids!!! More courses and more practice, maybe minimum driving hours through an instructor or club/course etc? Prevention is definately better than cure.

At the end of the day, people will die in cars as long as cars are around, but you cant live in cotton wool!

It's already hard enough to get insurance for under 25s. AMI, who my parents are with and who I've been with for 2 years wouldn't let me insure a FF 2L AUTO 3SFE because it was over 1.6L. I think my dad threated to take his hosue insurance or something because they let us come in and see them about it.

The only other insurance companies that woudl insure it wouldn't give fire and theift and State was cheapest but I've heard really bad things abotu them and claims. Full insurance costs more then the bloody car.

So compulsary 3rd party insurance would automatically means no turbos or hondas with vtec. For most cases I'd say nothing over 1.6L either.

more driver training coures, more licencing.

instead of learners, restricted, full, they should have a few things above full.

More defensive driving etc, to lower insurance, and prove that some drivers actually understand how to act in situations etc.

i vote for *other*

Eg, Learners, Restricted, Full, Defensive 1, Defensive 2, Defensive 3 etc.

going up through 1 2 and 3, would be the sort of training cops would receive etc. (sure we can do this on our own time, at race courses etc, but why cant the goveremnt try put some funding into teaching everyone how to act in certain situations).

I absolutely do not believe this 'more driver education' crap. People go on about how young drivers are so crap due to no education, too easy to get a license, etc. Well guess what - it was a whole lot easier to get a license in your parents day, folks.

The issue here, I think, is the same as the issues with almost all youth problems today. Parents simply coast by, dont take responsibility, and kids get spoiled. I had a decent upbringing, and was made to work for everything I have. I respect other people. I have never been accused of being a boy racer, etc.

What we dont want to do, is end up like Australia. Police there are so incredibly strict it's rediculas, but we're heading that way.

Compulsory insurance can be a good thing or a bad thing, as has been demonstrated in other countries. If we levy 3rd party insurance into our rego cost - say and extra $200/year (which is waivered if you have your own comprehensive insurance), that would be an EXCELLENT idea.

If, however, the govt simply makes insurance compulsory and leaves it at that, we'll end up like England, where insurance companies can basically charge whatever they like, because you HAVE to have insurance. It needs to be regulated.

And we dont want that, because insurance is already too expensive. Take me for example - I drive a bog stock (well, it was when I insured it) Carina ED, auto, 3SFE, with a 5 star alarm. I'm a person of good character. However, on paper, I'm a poor candidate for insurance. I'm 19, have had a car stolen, got a speeding ticket when I was 16, and 3 breaches of license tickets when I was 15/16. I've been involved in 2 accidents (neither of which were my fault, but it still makes me a risk). I pay $1400 / year insurance, with a $2000 excess. Do I want insurance premiums to increase? Hell no.

Unfortunately driver education won't do much in terms of reckless boyracers..


I think its attitude more than anything else. Speeders will always speed despite ad's on TV.

Dr-X wrote:I absolutely do not believe this 'more driver education' crap. People go on about how young drivers are so crap due to no education, too easy to get a license, etc. Well guess what - it was a whole lot easier to get a license in your parents day, folks.

The issue here, I think, is the same as the issues with almost all youth problems today. Parents simply coast by, dont take responsibility, and kids get spoiled. I had a decent upbringing, and was made to work for everything I have. I respect other people. I have never been accused of being a boy racer, etc.

What we dont want to do, is end up like Australia. Police there are so incredibly strict it's rediculas, but we're heading that way.

Compulsory insurance can be a good thing or a bad thing, as has been demonstrated in other countries. If we levy 3rd party insurance into our rego cost - say and extra $200/year (which is waivered if you have your own comprehensive insurance), that would be an EXCELLENT idea.

If, however, the govt simply makes insurance compulsory and leaves it at that, we'll end up like England, where insurance companies can basically charge whatever they like, because you HAVE to have insurance. It needs to be regulated.

And we dont want that, because insurance is already too expensive. Take me for example - I drive a bog stock (well, it was when I insured it) Carina ED, auto, 3SFE, with a 5 star alarm. I'm a person of good character. However, on paper, I'm a poor candidate for insurance. I'm 19, have had a car stolen, got a speeding ticket when I was 16, and 3 breaches of license tickets when I was 15/16. I've been involved in 2 accidents (neither of which were my fault, but it still makes me a risk). I pay $1400 / year insurance, with a $2000 excess. Do I want insurance premiums to increase? Hell no.

More driver education is basically what i WANT, not what i see we need.

I myself WOULD like to go through this training, all good saying *yeh,i can bring a car under complete control after losing it on ice.*, but can you?

It would save alot of problems, and i wouldnt mind paying myself, But any goverment incentive programs (more trainers, places to do it etc).

man thats expensive.... im 18, have no accidents, 1 speeding fine, and pay $1100 on my 1.6L 20v (then again, its *high performance* lol).

My gf pays $1300 on her 2.0L turbo mr2 >.>. and trust me, its faster than my car lol - along with the fact that the car is worth $20,000+ (was on yard for 22k). shes 19, 2 accidents (both, not her fault), no speeding fines. its actually $1100 for her, putting me on it (18 on restricted, with speeding fine) bumps it up by $200.

i dont think what we say here will get anywhere near the goveremnt, but its making good reading.

Keep postin ppl

SurfWagon wrote:Unfortunately driver education won't do much in terms of reckless boyracers..


I think its attitude more than anything else. Speeders will always speed despite ad's on TV.

Completely agree.

http://www.advancedroadskills.co.nz/driver_3.htm

Do a google search , there are plenty so no excuses.


As for driving on Ice I studied in Dunedin a few years back and never had problem driving on Ice. If you hit icey roads , do a U turn and find an alternative route.

It should be common sense , if you aren't comfortable driving on ice , just slow down to a crawl. I'm sure everyone else will.

Dr-X wrote:And we dont want that, because insurance is already too expensive. Take me for example - I drive a bog stock (well, it was when I insured it) Carina ED, auto, 3SFE, with a 5 star alarm. I'm a person of good character. However, on paper, I'm a poor candidate for insurance. I'm 19, have had a car stolen, got a speeding ticket when I was 16, and 3 breaches of license tickets when I was 15/16. I've been involved in 2 accidents (neither of which were my fault, but it still makes me a risk). I pay $1400 / year insurance, with a $2000 excess. Do I want insurance premiums to increase? Hell no.

Whoa...you're getting $&#$% from behind.

Last car I had insured was a heavily modifed 3.9L EA Fairmont, I had a far worse record than you, and was 18/19. Had a car stolen, tickets, the works, had a few crashes and claims (none my fault).

AMI insured me for $600 a year, with an $800 excess...

Dont I know it. I phoned every insurance company in the country (well, all the big players anyway), and that's as cheap as I could get.

i think insurance should be a have to have thing like rego and wof but then lots of people who dont have insurance u will find wont have a reg or wof.
when i first started out with my starlet i paid 380 for third party. i had the car all of 3 months if that before i wrote it off. i am bloody lucky i never got charged for that crash. i was in major breach of my licence (restricted, 2am, speeding and 2 passengers)
i suffered on the next car i owned which was worth 5g i paid $1200 per year for insurance after that. while owning that car, i got hit about 4 times by different things (cars, trucks,buses) none were my fault, this never changed my insurance
6 odd years on i own a car which ive insured for 18g (car,sounds,rims) and i also have 40g contents insurance. i pay 800 a year.
its taken me years to get the premium down and it will go down more in 2 years when i turn 25 etc. my excess is $1500 which is high but to have it at the $500 id be paying an extra 300 a year (and i also have 2 speeding tickets). ive been in about 8 accidents in all my cars put together, the first was my fault but i never claimed and it has not bumped up my premium at all.

as i was saying insurance should be compulsary but there will always be a way around it. also the driving age should be taken up to 17 and they should be harder on when u go for restricted and full. mine was pretty easy to pass

Compulsory insurance won't work, just like current insurance policies if you breach your licence conditions they won't pay so who ever you hit is out of luck anyway. Not to mention the costs would be way more than $200 a year. Remember, most countries that use it don't have our ACC system so it covers you from being sued if you hurt someone rather just being for property damage.
My view is if you protect yourself with at least 3rd party most policies have uninsured motorist extension which protects you from uninsured drivers (no excess on full cover and up to around $3k on third party cover). So if you're responsible enough to have your own insurance its not a problem and if you aren't tough luck if you're hit by another uninsured driver.

Callum

CozmoNz wrote:more driver training coures, more licencing.

instead of learners, restricted, full, they should have a few things above full.

going up through 1 2 and 3, would be the sort of training cops would receive etc. (sure we can do this on our own time, at race courses etc, but why cant the goveremnt try put some funding into teaching everyone how to act in certain situations).

No offence but cops can't drive for shit, i've seen many crashes caused by cops... and mate of mine Digitizar has even seen cop do a burnout when the lights turned green and not even notice, his tail was sliding for like 5 seconds and then took off. Was an undercover as well, realized it was a copper when it took off

Racing is someone's on choice, no matter how much "advanced driver lessons" they have if they're going to race nothings going to stop them.

/edit obviously not all cops... but you get what i'm saying

"Make boyracers have insurance or they can't drive"

What classes a boy racer?

Yeah, what's his easy to get license shit. The old paint & panel place I worked at, all the old guys said their license tests involved a 200m drive up the road, 3 point turn and come back.

The problem is people's attitude, everyone sees road laws as being less of a law than other laws (eg, assault, stealing). People need to realise a law is a law and you shouldn't break it. Also, it's not just young people who are stupid on the roads, look at all the old men who drive round in their big commodores and falcons that have more power than nearly every boyracer car who speed constantly, why else do you think they all have radar detectors? Also, my mate and I went to Greymouth the other day, we were in a Silvia and taking it at the speed limit or less when it was raining heavily (driving to conditions) and we got overtaken by lots of people driving dangerously fast and overtaking coming up to blind corners. How many of them were young? One!

I think along with better education about how to drive cars people should also be shown the concequences of what happens when you drive dangerously, make them listen to lectures by crash survivors or something. Scare the crap out of them. Also, i think that licences should be harder to get and you should have to resit the test every 5 years because I think that a lot of people on the roads definately shouldn't be there.

Also, banning people from owning performance cars is kinda pointless, any modern car can go over the speed limit but on the flipside any car has the ability to stick to the speed limit too.

Emperor wrote:"Make boyracers have insurance or they can't drive"

What classes a boy racer?

Yeah, what's his easy to get license sh*t. The old paint & panel place I worked at, all the old guys said their license tests involved a 200m drive up the road, 3 point turn and come back.

Here's the deal ,


Enforce 3rd party car insurance for everyone , legislate a law keeping premiums at current rate.

You have have no insurance , it will be illegal to drive on the roads.


To have insurance , you must have car reg and wof'd. No reckless driving records. Speeding tickets and history may be under scrutiny but shouldn't affect application.

Insurance doesn't cover anyone with significant modification or boost/assisted cars unless 25 or older

Anyone who commits a reckless /Careless act in a motor vehicle shall be subjected to 1 years non driving to get off record. The Vehicle in question shall be sold and money goes to driver education or charity. The driver should still be required to pay finance on that particular vehicle if owing.


My definition of a boyracer is someone who has a high powered car that surpasses their own driving ability. No insurance , no wof , no rego , and even licence class.


And for the high powered car question, these accidents have been caused by high powered cars


E.g


-Fitzgerald Ave CHCH a few years ago - MK 4 Supra Turbo

-Ensors Road 2004 Christchurch - A WRX (Amy Fitzgibbon) and a Legacy RS David Reid)

-Auckland 2005 - Honda Integra

-Chch 2005- Ferry Road , Ford Fairmont/Falcon , 17 year old died

-A gas station in Nth island 2003 - 300ZX killed a little girl

- Auckland , over easter break - Honda Integra Type R


See the common denominator , turbos , Vtecs etc..

Tough luck , its got to be done.

So basically you want to penalise the majority for the actions of the minority?

Sounds like a brilliant idea to me.

purple_beasty wrote:So basically you want to penalise the majority for the actions of the minority?

Sounds like a brilliant idea to me.

Yep , thats a big fat yes!!!


The old townace gets me around, I'll return to my roots after my Big O.E and get a 240Z to work on or a Mk4 supra..


It's great being 26!!! I've had 10 cars and no speeding tickets yet.