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Alternative power sources for cars
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Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:48 amby snwtoy
I've recreated this thread, as it's quite interesting. I think the other one could have been simply cleaned up instead of locked.
Personally the new 200kw electric evo sound pretty good to me, and I wouldn't be surprised or dissapointed to find myself owning one in 5-10 years.
Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 4:55 pm Post subject: Alternative power sources for cars
Over the last couple of years ive notice lots of hype about those hydrogen fuel cell powered cars. The idea works quite well and only produces water as waste product. But the system is only powering an electric motor to power the car........ Like honestly would you ever substitute an awesome turbo or v8 petrol engine for a boring electic motor?
Really i dont see petrol cars not being used theres just so many of them and people want to hear/modify them ! I suppose chemistry scientists of some sort will just have too come up with similar fuel that works just as good as oil from the ground. They have made a start Biodiesel and bioethanol but they aren't perfect.
It will be quite interesting to see what comes out of this petrol/oil source problem in the future.
Now back to electric cars would you ever take one over a nice petrol engine such as a 2jz-gte or 1uz-fe? It would be boring to say the least..
petrol all the way for me. I guess thats due to my interest in cars. Im sure you will see many non-sporty-car people in 100% electric vehicals in the future though.
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Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:04 amby cespenar
Isn't the main problem with the piston combustion engine the fact that it's only about 25% effiecient, ie a lot of the potential energy in the fuel is converted into wasted heat as well the fact that the fuel is not completely combusted? Why not go for alternative ideas such as quasiturbine engines in the interim while 'cleaner' fuels are further researched?
I read an article a little while ago (I can't remember exact details) but some company had made a few breakthroughs on electric motors and were looking at the viability of an electric rally car - the instant torque would be a big plus, but the main problem was the weight of the batteries...
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Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:09 pmby IH8TEC
cespenar wrote:Isn't the main problem with the piston combustion engine the fact that it's only about 25% effiecient, ie a lot of the potential energy in the fuel is converted into wasted heat as well the fact that the fuel is not completely combusted? Why not go for alternative ideas such as quasiturbine engines in the interim while 'cleaner' fuels are further researched?
I read an article a little while ago (I can't remember exact details) but some company had made a few breakthroughs on electric motors and were looking at the viability of an electric rally car - the instant torque would be a big plus, but the main problem was the weight of the batteries...
you'll actually find it is less a lot less efficient than 25% as gas turbine engines are around 25% and they are a crap load more efficient than any piston engine
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Sat Feb 18, 2006 8:27 pmby Adydas
This was locked for a reason filtering out wouldnt as such fix the fact that the same comments could just be re posted.
Ill leave it here as im not fussed but keep it clean this time.
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Sat Feb 18, 2006 9:38 pmby Lloyd
btw, those Evos only had a range of 250km or so last time I was reading about it. Didn't say anything about length of time for a charge or anything, but it would be a safe bet that it would more likely be an overnighter than a quick stop a service station
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Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:38 pmby Adamal
My choice would depend a lot on how each type of alternate 'fuel' would perform. Not talking about efficiencies, but how much power is made, what the power band is like, torque blah blah blah.
Dyno sheet comparisions of each!
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Sat Feb 18, 2006 11:50 pmby Al
You will never replicate the noise or the smell of a petrol powered car with an electric car
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Sun Feb 19, 2006 10:36 amby snwtoy
Apparently electtric go-karts are competetive against their petrol counterparts with only 1/3 of the power of the petrol engines, due to the power being unrelated to engine speed - it's all there all the time. You'd have to think this would make a 200kw electric evo VERY interesting.
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Sun Feb 19, 2006 11:27 amby cespenar
Anyone see the news last night about those high school kids in america that made a biodiesel sports car? They didn't say much about it though, only that it had a 0-60mph time of about 4sec...
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Sun Feb 19, 2006 7:33 pmby peas
Although the thought of me driving a car powered by anything other than petrol is somewhat unsettling, its a fact that transport will evolve. Im sure that people will still modify the new technology, though probably less DIY stuff than now.
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Mon Feb 20, 2006 9:48 amby mr pad
Al wrote:You will never replicate the noise or the smell of a petrol powered car with an electric car
thats what worries me, no mad vtex induction/scream, or no boosty sucking.
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Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:56 pmby mupp3t
"no mad vtex induction/scream"
hehe alex loves the honda cock[/quote]
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Mon Feb 20, 2006 11:42 pmby SnakeEyes
mupp3t wrote:hehe alex loves the honda cock
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VTec just kicked in, yo! 
K<^-^>E
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Tue Feb 21, 2006 12:13 amby XERO
I just find it funny =, some european car makers are managing to make x amount of power from a diesel engine. Like audi for instance using a diesel engine for a concept lemans car that went as fast as the petrol variety with more economy?
Re: Alternative power sources for cars
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Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:38 pmby UZZ30
snwtoy wrote:I've recreated this thread, as it's quite interesting. I think the other one could have been simply cleaned up instead of locked.
Yes. This is a interesting topic that will become more and more relevant as time goes one. Great to see you made another one... mine got ruined by some angry people that dont agree with my opinions.
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Sat Feb 25, 2006 11:54 pmby UZZ30
mr pad wrote:Al wrote:You will never replicate the noise or the smell of a petrol powered car with an electric car
thats what worries me, no mad vtex induction/scream, or no boosty sucking.
Yes - thats exactly what ive beem thinking. No v8, turbo sounds, etc... it would be so darn boring in comparison
All you would get is some whining electric motor.
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Mon Feb 27, 2006 9:44 amby Punter
UZZ30 wrote:I have no new ideas or opinions, but I'll post anyway
Anyway, can those people that voted for Electric/Hybrid/Hydrogen/Other, honestly say that they prefer that to a petrol engine.
The question states "Cost factors aside".
For me cost is the only thing that could stop me driving an oil powered car.
*edited for my oasome speelingness
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Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:47 pmby $CENSLS1$
Just personally I don't think the huge multimillion dollar oil companies will let any real threat of 'alternative fuel' vehicles come near mass production until the oil feilds of the world are empty...They will pay the manufactuers to keep producing petrol powered cars if they have to...Its all about the $$$...
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Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:09 pmby bad20v
$CENSLS1$ wrote:Just personally I don't think the huge multimillion dollar oil companies will let any real threat of 'alternative fuel' vehicles come near mass production until the oil feilds of the world are empty...They will pay the manufactuers to keep producing petrol powered cars if they have to...Its all about the $$$...
I would agree with that. I have always thought that the big oil companies have stopped the early introduction of mass produced viable energy vehicles and the fuels that run them. I mean why wouldn't they? If you have been making mega bucks selling something that everyone needs, and something else that may replace it gets invented, wouldn't you pay top dollar for that information to be never let out to the public?
As soon as the oil field's run dry, I'm betting that the oil companies will have the alternative product in mass supply, all ready for you to hand over your money over to them for it.
And if it is a totally new fuel source, that our normal petrol engines can't use and you have to buy a 'new' type of car to run it on, I'm betting that the big car companies with be in-conjuction with the oil companies together to maximise each others profits.... as if you have a new fuel source, you have to have something to run it on.
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Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:17 amby UZZ30
Punter wrote:UZZ30 wrote:I have no new ideas or opinions, but I'll post anyway
Sh*t your funny....
What is actually interesting is I have opinions and ideas, but since you dont like my opinions or the fact that i posted you decided to make some lame comment like above. You should just say nothing over the matter if your going to create conflict and problems on these forums, it wont get you anywhere.