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This should have been discused now for weeks.. I recon anyway.

Its overwhelming against this mandate from certain MP's who used democracy to enter parliament yet bites the hand that feed them and provided them their jobs and denies public opinion to come through.

Should 80% of parents be criminalised?
Should this bill go through from a Sue Bradford (hypocritically) without children and who herself was on the frontline protesting and biting and chewing against police physically, be put through?
Should Helen Clarke who also has no children or parenting experience, who denies her own party to freely choose their conscience vote, deny NZ a voice about what it doesnt want to have her way?

you get the picture and please put your view down

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stupidest idea in a while the government has had!

voted no, I don't have kids, but if I did and a situation warranted they got discipline, they'd be getting it.

Sue Bradford (as fugly as she is) needs a damn good slap

Where's the option for "People without children shouldn't be allowed to vote"

i wont vote, but i think its freeking stupid.

Just another step in the PC world aint it, soon criminals will go to prison but beacuse it crates a depressive trapped feeling there will be no bars on the doors or windows.

So they can simply walk out and do even worse than what they have done.

NZ should get semi america i feel, if the South island took upon its own govt and rules and did punish criminals and didnt vote in rules like this i know id move to the South island.. And im sure a larger population of the North island would or would seriosly consider it as the workforce moves.

its well said, all those against this bill have no perception nor idea what there talking about, did they feel they were beat to much as a kid? or do they simply think they know best??

Only those that the situation effects should be able to raise concern and vote on things, stop all those that think they know better when they are miles away from every experiancing it them selves out of it..

I think everyone would agree that has huge impact on the mandate of this vote coming from two woman in particular who do not one bit represent the family life of New Zealand. Would you listen to a fisherman tell you that doctors shouldnt be allowed to practice what they know works? That contrast is also the same as allowing children to be in parliament. I sure as heck wont be in a country who is run by children. Parents are parents because children are children.

I was chastized as a child and didnt need constant discipline because I was taught at a young age that there are consequences to my actions and this was shown to my from the love of my parents. I think we all got away with alot as kids. If anything I needed more smacks on the behind because I never got caught.

snwtoy wrote:Where's the option for "People without children shouldn't be allowed to vote"

Yea I would totally agree with you seeing that its not an issue for non-parents.

Beat your children. Don't let them become social outcasts!!!

Having been in a relationship with someone who had a 2 year old daughter at the time, I'm kind of sitting on the fence.

Its a matter of when does a disiplinary smack become an outlet for pent up frustration?
At that point in time, my ex had a bit of a short fuse and her daughter was still in the stages of learning to use the toilet.
I remember one time where she smacked her for going in her pants, but what started off as a smack, became harder and harder, and I could see she was getting angrier and almost loosing control. I stepped in and held her back. She looked at me and yelled "Don't you tell me how to raise my child" to which I replied "Then how about you start treating her like a child?", which sort of took her away a bit.

Personally, I think that a couple of little smacks on the bottom isn't a bad thing, and certainly isn't abuse. Its just when it gets pushed a little far, and many people get such a short fuse like my ex used to in this day and age.

Theres a fine line between discipline and abuse, and that line becomes even finer when individual opinion defines it.

Intresting, i personally draw the line when a smack isnt a smack at all and really is a child getting " the Bash ".. There could be a limit to only 2 strikes of the hand that could help it stop from getting stronger and harder but self restraint is needed there and well if they dont have the self restraint in the first place they aint in the second.

I fail to see how this is going to be policed eh, im guessing more schools involvment " Is your mummy hitting you " whats the bet all kids raise there hand? what a mess.. " how hard little jimmy and whats happening "..

Its like how in schools kids are been told about speeding drivers on many occasion now ive been driving home at 5pm to see a group of kids ( i belive all family ) out side on the side of the road allmost jumping infront of oncoming traffic holding signs saying " slow down ".. When i first read it i natuarlly kicked into " omfg i better slow down they have a point " mode, but a speedo check showed i wasnt even speeding... My point is kids are been informed about these things incorrectly they dont know how to judge speed so how can they be put in a position to help police it? And i feel the same kinda thing will happen with this kids will miss inform, miss read and miss judge events blowing them out of proportion.. If you want a job with sifs / sips go apply now as i feel a huge demand oncoming..

What I find interesting..is when they give examples of supposed "bad" parents..etc the lady that hit her kid with a riding crop, they never say what they got it for...
He tried to hit his mums husband in the head with a bloody baseball bat...
So she gave him a lesson with something that was handy in this case a riding crop...


Good on her I say

I think its bloody ridiculous! Personally since its an issue that has the whole country going crazy why isnt it put to vote??? Surely a bill this big should call for it? Im peeved because the (scummy) government are also not funding the Plunket helpline which hundreds of stressed out parents call every day, so they take this away, then say, oh, no smacking either and what are parents left with? It makes no sense at all, and Im pretty stoked Simon Barnett has stuck his oar in for the bill not passing, NZ has bigger issues to worry about than whether you smack your child, and as most people say, "any rational person knows the difference between a smack and beating your child"

GRRR

The whole thing is bizzare. We already have plenty of laws that the cops can use if they find an abused child that has been beaten.

Why create more crappy laws? It just makes it harder for normal people to be law-abiding and in the end we will get everyone doing what they think is right and ignoring the law because it is too hard to follow.

There are too many people employed whose only achievement in life is to create more bureaucracy... and the only way to measure their success is to measure the amount of bureaucracy that they have created or taken part in. It's getting worse and without a large sustained vocal dissaproval from the public of this sort of thing it will continue to get worse.

I'm all for the Anti-Smacking Bill, as long as they don't introduce an Anti-Taser Bill

Beat your children. Don't let them become social outcasts!!!

Hahahaha seconded. Gotta show those little shits whos boss

i say we march on parliamant and demostrate to those bull-dykes the difference between smacking for disipline and getting the shit kicked out of you

Mr Revhead wrote:i say we march on parliamant and demostrate to those bull-dykes the difference between smacking for disipline and getting the shizzel kicked out of you

You volunteering to put Helen over your knee for a bit of spanking?

she can be no2
i want that bradwhatshername heifer first!

i am disappointed that toyspeed has become caught up in the anti anti-smacking bill hysteria. yes most parents can tell the difference between beating and disciplining their children but unfortunately theroe are those who beat their children and under current legislation can get away with it through the obscurity of the definition of reasonable. violent threats against the PM and sue bradford do not help anyone.

Any dumb twat can tell the difference between beating and smacking your child. Why is NZ one of the only countries NOT able to tell the difference?

Honestly... over in Saffa we get 'disciplined' with sticks/shoes/spoons and the good ol' Rotang. Trust me that last one will put the fear of a 100 bulls in you once you've felt it's wrath. Most people over there turn out ok, I didn't turn too bad myself either if I may say so myself.

If I ever have children they'll receive the same treatment. You $&#$% up and so help me I'll smack the little bastard till he don't do it no more!!!

If I smack my friends kids and she doesnt charge me can we get away with it??