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So, who believes what?
Personally I believe they did land on the moon, don't care for all the conspiracy theorys, just think it would be too big a thing to cover up if it really was a hoax.

But but, wind! And like stuff! And things! Flag! Its a conspiricy by the terrorists! Its communisim! Its the government, man! They're watching us by making us watch fake moon landings! AAAIIIIEEE!!! Wheres my tinfoil hat?!?!!?

the people who voted for no and undecided speak up please

thornz wrote:the people who voted for no and undecided speak up please

apart from theories about wind, flags etc........
they havn't been back, considering how far technology has leapt foward in 40 years, one would think that if they can land on the moon in '69, they could send astronuats back to get data as to whether it could support life.

I voted for no. I havnt seen ALOT and never researched it, but the things like the belt of radiation (Cant remember the name) That they supposdely survived wearing tinfoil suits when the strength of the radiation can penetrate a foot of lead, the flags with wind, crosshairs in photos BEHIND stuff in the photo. Why havnt they done it again? Theres been like 38473843 space trips since, and no other moon landing

No, same reasons as Fangsport.

No other countries have visited.. Why? Because America was the ONLY country that could?

Pfft

I don't understand the conspiracy theorists...

Most of 'evidence' they bring up is just ignorance I feel

Case in point- The cross hairs behind objects. Look at a lot of the hi-res Apollo images and youll see that a lot of the crosses are partially obscured over objects with high albido....just like how road markings appear too big in aerial photos as the white paint has a tendency to 'bloom' in comparision to the surrounding black road with less reflected light.

The Van Allen radiation belt? They passed through it in a few hours and did recieve radiation- about as much as a chest X-ray. Dr Van Allen, the guy that named it knows that astronauts wouldn't be 'fried' by going through it....so I'm not sure where the claim that they would be comes from?!

The thing that really intrigues me about the conspiracy theorist is their logic (or lack of)- They provide 'evidence' to support their CT, such as the flag 'waving', and try and it pass it off as 'proof'. So in their mind, one piece of 'evidence'* on the side of the CT totally counters the majority of evidence against the CT. It would be like me trying to say 'look I have PROOF that the earth is underwater because I just felt a drop of it on my head.

*totally ignoring the actual stupidity of that claim anyway.

But anway, i'd also be interested in why some people who voted for the conspiracy theory think that as well.

pjay wrote:No, same reasons as Fangsport.

No other countries have visited.. Why? Because America was the ONLY country that could?

Pfft

USSR had enough sense to send an animal up to space first, promptly followed by man landing on the moon by USA. it was a publicity stunt for a new TV network, as well as a case of ' beat that!!' in a bid to stick one up the Russians. why didn't USSR follow it up??... i suspect they know it can't be done.

Oh god not again!

One example - There is a reflector array on the moon placed by the Apollo 11 astronauts in the Sea of Tranquillity. It is used to measure the distance from the Earth to the Moon using lasers to about 3 centimetres. How else would it have safely and practically been positioned?

I consider the conspiracy theorists amongst intelligent design proponents. Ignorant pseudo-science.

It is not a question of belief - it is factual knowledge.

fangsport wrote:

pjay wrote:No, same reasons as Fangsport.

No other countries have visited.. Why? Because America was the ONLY country that could?

Pfft

USSR had enough sense to send an animal up to space first, promptly followed by man landing on the moon by USA. it was a publicity stunt for a new TV network, as well as a case of ' beat that!!' in a bid to stick one up the Russians. why didn't USSR follow it up??... i suspect they know it can't be done.

Promptly followed?? Erm not quite. There was a long series of failures on both sides, slowly building up their expertise- Longer missions, bigger payloads, the first EVAs, the first dockings etc etc. America was a fair way ahead of the USSR by the time they landed on the moon- both in terms of hours in space and what they actually achieved.

Why didn't the USSR follow it up? Their heavy rocket being developed to lift the types of payloads required was a failure. No successfull launches I believe. What would have been the point of doing it?

The comment about 'it has been 40 years since, technology should be xx advanced by now'- Of course it is advanced, and of course the USA could go to the moon again....if the will was there.

Jazza wrote: the flags with wind, crosshairs in photos BEHIND stuff in the photo.

mythbusters





say no more

I clicked undecided

The fact that opposing evidence exists alone is enough for any logically thinking person to accept the fact that the yanks may have not made it to the moon. Although they probably did.

Why haven't the yanks gone back yet? Why hasen't any other country gone there yet? Why are there so many things that don't add up about the whole thing?

But why haven't the opposing parties managed to come up with an concrete evidence that it didn't happen? They have found a few holes in the story of the moon landing, but nothing that proves without a doubt that it didn't happen.

I don't know, it's not something I really spend a lot of time thinking about

I dont see that theres really much reason to go back so thats probably ehy no one has bothered

FLAWLES wrote:

Jazza wrote: the flags with wind, crosshairs in photos BEHIND stuff in the photo.

mythbusters


say no more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mefEKqzq ... re=related

THATS what i was looking for

chur

The evidence for it is far stronger than against it. As for why not go back? No political will to do so as the moon landing was a purely political statement to the Soviet Union who had beaten the US to space in the first place. Also, there's not much more that could probably be learned by Apollo style missions that couldn't be learned by remote controlled probes. The fact there's laser reflectors on the moon at least proves beyond all reasonable doubt that man-made craft have been to the moon. I would also say that faking once could be a possibility but faking it 7 times (including one failure) seems a bit far fetched particularly when you consider that they went to the trouble of building a lot of very large and expensive rockets and launching them into space for nothing.

As for the photographs, Mythbusters took care of that pretty well, along with the walking shots and the fluttering flag. I suggest you torrent this episode if you haven't seen it. Also, not a lot of people realise that most of the Apollo photos we see are duplicates of duplicates. NASA holds the original negatives and transparencies in archive. Not many other places have master duplicates of them and many are a number of generations removed from the original film. Not forgetting they would have been duplicated using 1960s technology and 1960s duplication film.

I put people who don't believe in the moon landing in the same boat as religious people. I'm sure within the next few years someone will claim the Lunar X prize and send back photos and video of one of the Apollo sites and silence all the morons and nutters. In the mean time, here's a great video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUI36tPKDg4

Of course, then the conspiracist theorists will say that NASA paid off the Mythbusters to create scenes which supported that they did land on the moon haha

Adamal wrote:Of course, then the conspiracist theorists will say that NASA paid off the Mythbusters to create scenes which supported that they did land on the moon haha

which thus leads to everything going around in circles

tell me this

how, just how can it be possible that soooo many ppl kept that secret
come on, NOTHING can be kept secret. how many things have come out recently? how many times has some one from years ago made some revelation and confirmed stories?
no one, not ONE person involved has spoken up and said "well actually, i was there when they faked it"

there is no way at all they DIDNT land on the moon.

every single piece of "evidence" the conspiracy theorists have presented has been debunked by science.
Hell, its even more beated to death than JFK!

Mr Revhead wrote:Hell, its even more beated to death than JFK!

Or the whole 'Jesus' conspiracy theory!